From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: decision on moving core packages to ELPA; also move to obsolete? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:53:38 -0800 Message-ID: <86wnxinbnx.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <86a6ugnopl.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83im94b17m.fsf@gnu.org> <834kknatxs.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg86apqb.fsf@gnu.org> <865z52oqfp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38322"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (windows-nt) Cc: daniele@grinta.net, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 19:54:46 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpFT9-0009q6-QU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 19:54:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56814 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpFT8-0001bi-Ti for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:54:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47420) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpFSC-0000qX-QN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:53:44 -0500 Original-Received: from gateway34.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.148.200]:40172) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpFSB-0000nG-8R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:53:44 -0500 Original-Received: from cm10.websitewelcome.com (cm10.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.4]) by gateway34.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B9D6A081E for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:53:41 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from host2007.hostmonster.com ([67.20.76.71]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id pFS9kZQA9uDoApFS9kzgTK; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:53:41 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stephe-leake.org; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=aZUJNsbUIubjxzbNthQyOY5+jizw5dRgxz92oUTBExY=; b=VW7YXlApZnAARjDOWZ1qOLmY5 Ib2SxcepZZyt7qwT5AdN9gR0k8wgXOaEOMfLRF+6LdzITfQQByKAedcf7Ds4Z/YOPW9JxnssEs+MG WfAPCjxgrbSjbmiVK9ZslI4do11AqxpphUzwf+j8nYDAHewUT5u7Xp61IWBH1ShY4e/DxEftDOhu0 ECPNDtevtuNb2iI2gJhh3ZUZZJIgOyG/Y/lbst4/Sq27xuPOJBeP0uH2m6dN1S2tfgSH+/IzGxPar vObMkXDBYHQtHktt5thQUeKYHh+FDlynHgS4AZap7z3bPk11fIN8M3ue6MXdpHDtOvrrnZcCDjOyG XW9Zrrh1Q==; Original-Received: from [76.77.182.20] (port=59388 helo=Takver4) by host2007.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1kpFS8-000jaX-Rx; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:53:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: <865z52oqfp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> (Stephen Leake's message of "Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:49:14 -0800") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2007.hostmonster.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stephe-leake.org X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 76.77.182.20 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1kpFS8-000jaX-Rx X-Source-Sender: (Takver4) [76.77.182.20]:59388 X-Source-Auth: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org X-Email-Count: 11 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbGU7c3RlcGhlbGU7aG9zdDIwMDcuaG9zdG1vbnN0ZXIuY29t X-Local-Domain: yes Received-SPF: neutral client-ip=192.185.148.200; envelope-from=stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org; helo=gateway34.websitewelcome.com X-Spam_score_int: -8 X-Spam_score: -0.9 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260904 Archived-At: Stephen Leake writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: Stefan Monnier >>> Cc: Daniele Nicolodi , stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, >>> emacs-devel@gnu.org >>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:03:57 -0500 >>> >>> >> Org is distributed as part of Emacs but it is routinely also >>> >> installed and updated from ELPA and AFAIK it does not implement any >>> >> special trick to make this work smotly. >>> > The idea is that users should be able to install, upgrade, and >>> > downgrade such packages exactly like they do with unbundled ones. >>> >>> I still don't see what's the problem. >>> >>> With current Emacs, users can upgrade/downgrade their version of Org, >>> python.el (etc...) via `list-packages`. Clearly the same would apply to >>> bundled ELPA packages. >> >> Doesn't package.el install stuff under ~/.emacs.d/elpa/ ? > > yes. > >> > If so, what happens with installed Lisp files under /usr/share/ ? > > They stay there, but ~/.emacs.d/elpa is earlier in load-path. And also, once bundling ELPA packages in the tarball works, the package can be removed from Emacs core, simplifying the pakcage maintenance process. -- -- Stephe