From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: policy discussion on bundling ELPA packages in the emacs tarball Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 11:30:47 -0800 Message-ID: <86wnw06cgo.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <86eeifawx8.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87czxygdl9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86tur88izp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <86h7n880lo.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83y2gk3rin.fsf@gnu.org> <86o8he6y4k.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <8335yq4350.fsf@gnu.org> <86k0s26qqt.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83sg6q2is5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12621"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (windows-nt) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 25 20:37:24 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l47fv-0003D4-Kl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:37:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58482 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l47fu-0003sk-Ii for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 14:37:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l47eV-0002wu-Bb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 14:35:55 -0500 Original-Received: from gateway23.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.50.141]:19827) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l47eT-0003PG-5O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 14:35:54 -0500 Original-Received: from cm12.websitewelcome.com (cm12.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.8]) by gateway23.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB9C14F1708 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:30:51 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from host2007.hostmonster.com ([67.20.76.71]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id 47Zblh2XciQiZ47ZblD8Ji; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:30:51 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stephe-leake.org; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=jWvw83ZNE+MZ6JT6JWbRyM/ySi/QP7Wfv2FYYmndVxw=; b=heebOcSR7dJALSJq3pjn7q/cU ituo33hg2LnVXy3cVHqS8eY0UdG9o3B0qLpSbvfBkNDVdzviDF1CG0XoONn+TJ4Qqj+rsW87YM+g5 /M5+9ImlPyIuk2cfR/W/vEqEj35VKDoQoBH3n3UWCYTALvA1+mrGzk4K4/al8RIEY5Ffr3KodXfGA RrOzRlnzulQXt7JzcCHnSBddVra6XK1JZ2VXwIDjQQaJaYCKuVVqsf477qZV43b+5NU1vCzFO65bV y7NQqIid7uK9etf5kInZba5eF441Sj2UsQqVMXpjcAS0lxUvbMCWLM8I18zuxaltpYe4WeV/YcL06 GbVC9EiDw==; Original-Received: from [76.77.182.20] (port=55032 helo=Takver4) by host2007.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1l47Za-003azg-Uu; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 12:30:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83sg6q2is5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:15:38 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host2007.hostmonster.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stephe-leake.org X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 76.77.182.20 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1l47Za-003azg-Uu X-Source-Sender: (Takver4) [76.77.182.20]:55032 X-Source-Auth: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbGU7c3RlcGhlbGU7aG9zdDIwMDcuaG9zdG1vbnN0ZXIuY29t X-Local-Domain: yes Received-SPF: neutral client-ip=192.185.50.141; envelope-from=stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org; helo=gateway23.websitewelcome.com X-Spam_score_int: -8 X-Spam_score: -0.9 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263410 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stephen Leake >> Cc: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:10:02 -0800 >> >> Do you agree that having one full copy of the ELPA repository in your >> local emacs .git repository is acceptable? > > IMO, people who are interested only in packages bundled with Emacs > should not need to have ELPA on their local machines. Not even one > checkout of ELPA should be needed. They should just need to clone the > Emacs Git repository (modulo the submodules-related options), and > that's all. Exactly like they do today: there's no need to clone ELPA > to have a fully functional clone of the Emacs Git repository. That is exactly what using submodules accomplishes. But I'm not sure you've answered my question. Let me phrase it differently: Doing 'git clone @git.savannah.gnu.org:/srv/git/emacs.git' results in disk space usage of around 300 MB in emacs/.git, and does not populate emacs/elpa. Doing 'git clone @git.savannah.gnu.org:/srv/git/emacs.git --recurse-submodules' results in disk space usage of around 500 MB in emacs/.git, and populates emacs/elpa. If we implemented the suggestion to split the ELPA repository into one repository per bundled package, that extra 200 MB would be smaller. Is 200 MB acceptable? >> For developers who also have elpa.git cloned separately, that's a >> duplicate copy. > > Which it shouldn't be. I agree it would be nice, but that's up to the git maintainers. Or we could look for another CM tool ... I can see some reasons for the current git design; _all_ of the info needed to update the code for project foo is in foo/.git. Worktrees stretch that; allowing submodules to be worktree-like references to yet another repository somewhere else would probably break many things in git. -- -- Stephe