From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: as for Calc and the math library Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 16:22:33 +0300 Message-ID: <86wmklho4m.fsf@gnu.org> References: <864j7qhup6.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5hi0yts.fsf@valhala.localdomain> <86y152ge0b.fsf@gnu.org> <875xs60wmc.fsf@valhala.localdomain> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26489"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: arthur.miller@live.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nicolas Martyanoff Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 12 15:23:42 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sdV1R-0006n8-F8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2024 15:23:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sdV0R-0000xw-4b; Mon, 12 Aug 2024 09:22:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sdV0P-0000xa-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2024 09:22:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sdV0P-0006JJ-49; Mon, 12 Aug 2024 09:22:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=NRr3MvxkRDPShjQjH0xx3JDXITKOeNLeJyf9H6Nk4gw=; b=G0Za1gh08KaY CSF9NFHGEZobGrDR7ywGt+/mMFisAxvtk4DZ9+uQ9uX+pR9RIMvxUjGYgeYKGM+uPqhI2n+RSPp3m dAQZMvdYpex5SZY4U7WDefaKqEYNvUCCD2L2asoItt/5ptXPYhDFm0agDKcS6Ghcglo/nm3mqbckY ut3T4ZrS5Mfz9ehbS5J6EN0XMha4F4pQSlG1TX3H/i/5hrme9Q+PgHAoxTfyTCx8dGEKpOVr0UZP5 HrTaYMlLw63O+dowOoxGjob/yE92EnucZESCD/LWPRN7HfdrvxzkY9MfqgtyQFIBJ9tEuE0/8VCNv l0CJ+1tuwC0yhzwvVxvmuA==; In-Reply-To: <875xs60wmc.fsf@valhala.localdomain> (message from Nicolas Martyanoff on Mon, 12 Aug 2024 14:11:07 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322674 Archived-At: > From: Nicolas Martyanoff > Cc: Nicolas Martyanoff , arthur.miller@live.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2024 14:11:07 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > We made the effort to allow loading dynamic modules precisely for this > > reason: to allow free libraries to be used, but not non-free ones. > > You absolutely can use non-free dynamic modules: enforcing the existence > of a symbol saying "I promise I'm free" does not change anything. One > could also easily add a free dynamic module that calls non-free > libraries. The need to declare that a library is free and have its sources freely available does serve as an obstacle for non-free software. And using non-free library with a free module is against the GPL, so it is illegal. We cannot prevent people from lying and doing illegal things, we can only make it harder. > It is sad to see Emacs being hamstrung and users being limited because > someone could do something that would have no impact whatsoever with the > project or any other user. This is a sad world for more reasons than one, but discussing that is off-topic here.