From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master has switched from Automake to GNU Make Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 07:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: <86vaqw5h4v.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <58CB9F6B.5080806@gmx.at> <83h92sz2j9.fsf@gnu.org> <58CBAEB7.5030601@gmx.at> <58CBBC6C.8000104@gmx.at> <58D380FF.1070103@gmx.at> <58D3C84E.5080808@gmx.at> <58D4E0D6.2070101@gmx.at> <86r31mlrj1.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <58D56B33.9050408@gmx.at> <86inmyp7tf.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <58D63825.8020501@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1490533184 695 195.159.176.226 (26 Mar 2017 12:59:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 12:59:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.91 (windows-nt) To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 26 14:59:37 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cs7lg-0007mt-Kc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 14:59:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40904 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cs7lm-0001na-IY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34906) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cs7l9-0001l1-44 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:59:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cs7l6-0002gs-3y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:59:03 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp145.dfw.emailsrvr.com ([67.192.241.145]:41076) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cs7l5-0002as-Us for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:59:00 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp15.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp15.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E1C06C013D for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:58:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: board-president@tomahawk-creek-hoa.com Original-Received: by smtp15.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: board-president-AT-tomahawk-creek-hoa.com) with ESMTPSA id A7088C012B for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:58:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: board-president@tomahawk-creek-hoa.com Original-Received: from Takver4 (76-218-37-33.lightspeed.kscymo.sbcglobal.net [76.218.37.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256) by 0.0.0.0:587 (trex/5.7.12); Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:58:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <58D63825.8020501@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Sat, 25 Mar 2017 10:28:05 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 67.192.241.145 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:213357 Archived-At: martin rudalics writes: >>> My concerns were with what happens in the branch as long as it is not >>> final. Why throw away its history when pushing? Because it contains >>> silly code its author would be ashamed of? >> >> Yes, but I would phrase it "it contained a failed approach, so here's a >> better approach". >> >> Or, "the sequence of commits is too hard to follow, since it has false >> starts and back-tracking, so here's a cleaner sequence". > > How often I wished to see on master the dirty sequence of how someone > came to the conclusion that the last version is the correct one. How > often would this have prevent me from entering precisely the same false > starts and back-tracking, saving me many, many hours of silly work. That's what design docs are for; either in .texi or code comments. But the Emacs culture isn't good at capturing that information. -- -- Stephe