From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2024 14:41:51 +0200 Message-ID: <86v87313sg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86fryc1vsh.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1c398u8.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <867cjnz7rc.fsf@gnu.org> <87jznnbbax.fsf@dataswamp.org> <86v877xqez.fsf@gnu.org> <87mssh7owx.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86sf293fwm.fsf@gnu.org> <875xz57hzo.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86plxd37go.fsf@gnu.org> <87jznjuaup.fsf@jeremybryant.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22255"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jeremy Bryant Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 05 13:42:15 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rWyIe-0005Wl-VM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2024 13:42:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWyIQ-0001pi-4p; Mon, 05 Feb 2024 07:41:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWyIO-0001pY-Fq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2024 07:41:56 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWyIN-0007Gr-Fr; Mon, 05 Feb 2024 07:41:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=N1ivk6Bn2NRsn08XEdwUcvg/EtOeGbJTJoKLxcYz8ng=; b=Z4bWuyvhs9yJ 5VVzeSmHPqqNo3hQURXUfa9cuRvR6IBHg8wqbbavYNYbaltb4IexA2HJErpdTfEJNAfz4dYPAYAfX 0n1uZwRM+AwcQ/6xFxcEpg84wk9Ua2tpFdv1zeUZn/w7CLvfEvqe2J3USP4OVsIUomH2Klv2fSgYk DVULoWOa7szVOHNOi/bFOgJguTsaY+j4/6/zUJYja1nI43BOKKHwM4+vPp5nL08jJtyGuB3DBfA6P 27zN8Lo/RZBCugkFIFuq3bqEeVGKYV7wYu367GEA5RYHiyXRnmW2Uy+feFiql58Fr0GhaW6OvMmXh HnfThJ0qguVhMfUmncgD2A==; In-Reply-To: <87jznjuaup.fsf@jeremybryant.net> (message from Jeremy Bryant on Sun, 04 Feb 2024 22:18:48 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315886 Archived-At: > From: Jeremy Bryant > Cc: incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2024 22:18:48 +0000 > > >From emacs -q, the first line is "Get help" which lands in "C-h C-h" > > THe info node @Help is indeed very useful, but it takes several hops > from emacs -q to even get to it (perhaps via the whole manual) > I would suggest it would be helpful to insert a reference to @Help in a > much more obvious way, perhaps at the top of C-h C-h > > - Would this be useful as a patch now? I don't think so. It might actually confuse because people who type "C-h C-h" usually want quick and concise help. > - Should this be reserved as part of a 'discoverability' functionality or setting? The former, I think (IIUC what you mean by that).