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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Default lexical-binding to t
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2024 17:19:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86v7wxoiqq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zy4ZunsF9jBmCbl0@MAC.fritz.box> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 8 Nov 2024 14:01:30 +0000)

> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 14:01:30 +0000
> Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> 
> > If you are against this, you are in a tiny minority, and should
> > probably stop fighting this war, because it was lost long ago.
> 
> I'm not.  I'm against the process, or lack of process, by which it was
> introduced.

This "lack of process" is our process.

> I don't think there ever was an explicit decision taken - a thread on
> emacs-devel, which ended up with something such as:
> 
>     "I think we're all agreed that the advantages of lexical binding
>     outweigh the disadvantages, and that from now on we'll work towards
>     converting the entire Emacs code base."

This isn't a parliament.  We discuss stuff, and then whoever is
motivated to do the job does it as well as he/she can, taking the
discussions into consideration.

Take this last discussion about reported nested loads as part of an
error message, and consider your own behavior there.  This is how
everything works here, always had, like it or not.

> Yes, there have been some, even some initiated by me, over the past few
> years.  But none in the context of deciding whether or not to introduce
> lexical binding.

That's because no one was really against it, believe it or not.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-08 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-01 12:55 Default lexical-binding to t Stefan Monnier
2024-11-01 14:42 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-01 17:03 ` Karl Fogel
2024-11-02 10:48 ` Visuwesh
2024-11-02 12:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-02 13:21     ` Visuwesh
2024-11-02 16:24   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-02 20:42     ` Jim Porter
2024-11-02 21:38       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03  2:32         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03 13:58           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 14:34             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-04  8:35             ` Jean Louis
2024-11-04  8:43               ` tomas
2024-11-03  1:46       ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03  2:30         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03  7:47         ` Jim Porter
2024-11-03 13:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03  6:44       ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-03 14:59         ` lexical-binding in paredit Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 18:32           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03 21:44             ` Taylor R Campbell
2024-11-04  1:54               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 15:26 ` Default lexical-binding to t Andrea Corallo
2024-11-07  3:46   ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07 23:00     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-08 15:53       ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 16:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 17:28           ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 17:37             ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-08 18:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 20:18               ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 20:57                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-11  5:13             ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-04  5:34 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-04  9:39   ` Po Lu
2024-11-04 13:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 17:06     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-04 18:24       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-06  4:44       ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07 23:07     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-04 12:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 20:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 12:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 12:50         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 13:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 16:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 17:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 17:42               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-06 20:48                 ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-06 22:50                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-07  0:46                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-07 21:03                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08  0:44                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-10  4:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07  6:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07  8:07                       ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-07  8:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07 11:09                           ` tomas
2024-11-07 21:23                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-07 22:37                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-08  6:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 14:01                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08 15:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-11-08 19:07                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08 20:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07 22:10                     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-08 18:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07  2:55                 ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-06 17:54       ` Jim Porter
2024-11-06 19:26         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 20:23           ` John Yates
2024-11-08 18:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 19:53         ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2024-11-08 18:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07  3:46     ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07  7:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07  3:46     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-11-07 22:28 Christopher Howard
2024-11-08  0:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08  6:29   ` tomas
2024-11-10  4:04     ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-08  7:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 12:11     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08 13:12       ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-08 13:24         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08 13:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08  7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii

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