From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 08:31:44 +0200 Message-ID: <86ttb5sbhr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86ser87rut.fsf@gnu.org> <86cyia4503.fsf@gnu.org> <87bjxsbc8h.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <87ikrz6wtl.fsf@gmail.com> <87a5cyarnp.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21238"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de, rms@gnu.org, suhailsingh247@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 15 07:33:04 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tMiBc-0005Ms-2d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 07:33:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMiAe-0001dx-Jt; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 01:32:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMiAb-0001dN-Uw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 01:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMiAb-0004LD-1u; Sun, 15 Dec 2024 01:32:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Hq9GDk7UuHpw2AplH+QvOzyR3w4mYzo0v4zXnJW1NR0=; b=j6jR4u4LGWuNB3mhnBJ3 SLsiRpKWxSyOD7dAzAQBDMC6GLFbJY0v50d+MgpqzFk3EIF7b49O11kfGUz+sc33qYk5Ntqmp/Ygl zjIjcahgldtiebBN6cqJiBm/qk1WLsDRCknEkOn1HHvx2JpJF7rhyXZFphCfWiZXa8h3X1MP3PKRt OTDpkciHDLjvj8W3by2w8l2Sl1Iep7vW4Rf4KOE0fkKCd7BNNqCArIW9q+dtPbT0P7/KzTefqLZaz 4EccSBDnyTrxk/ZhHbja3XVQcKG1+5c7ilxMqt1zUQ1fHYIgpanlC4GXSlE2e5rQh67SyYLyjaiIv +R9EQwBJDU1qQg==; In-Reply-To: <87a5cyarnp.fsf@web.de> (arne_bab@web.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326516 Archived-At: > From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" > Cc: Richard Stallman , suhailsingh247@gmail.com, > eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:19:54 +0100 > > Björn Bidar writes: > > > Richard Stallman writes: > > > >> > If the license of the manual would be more accessible the distribution > >> > of the manual could proceed the regular manner. > >> > >> Sorry, I don't follow you. I don't see what it could mean > >> to decrine a license as "more accesible" or "less accessible." > >> > >> There is nothing preventing the distribution of our manuals. > > > > Sure their is depending on your POV. Their have been multiple arguments > > of the GFDPL not being free (enough). > > Let’s speak frankly: Debian wants manuals distributed under licenses > that provide the same freedoms as free software licenses — the most > well-known of these is creative commons attribution sharealike. > https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ > > But this is a discussion that can quickly turn sour within the GNU > project. I’m not happy about that, just pointing it out that it is a > path that may seem easier, but isn’t (because social issues usually > aren’t easier but much gnarlier to fix than technical ones). Could you guys please move this off-topic discussion to a more appropriate place? Like the Texinfo mailing list or a Debian forum? Or even emacs-tangents@gnu.org? Discussing GNU manuals, let alone the Debian philosophy of distributing manuals, is waaaay off-topic here. We have enough of our own noise here, thank you. Please don't post in this and related threads here anymore. Enough is enough.