From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 01:05:57 +0100 Message-ID: <86sgmftq1m.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> <834kz25qp9.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <481a1f16-d661-0f96-2f45-3d5ec9c1132e@yandex.ru> <871ru0t7p8.fsf@gnus.org> <7a7f8955-ec5f-4e1e-b258-19379588516a@default> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="219925"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 23 01:06:55 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYIwx-000v67-1r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 01:06:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55736 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYIwv-0002s5-V4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 19:06:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55882) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYIwD-0002rw-5Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 19:06:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYIwB-0005At-K9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 19:06:08 -0500 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:60346 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYIwB-0005Aa-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 19:06:07 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYIw8-000u9r-8z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 01:06:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:WWztX++lO4MqsaAsy/nZ31+ZLQ4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242629 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > My impression is also that those who used it > for the first time had no problem doing so. > IOW, it has not seemed to me that it was > scary of difficult to figure out, or that > they hesitated for some reason. The first time it is while not exactly "scary" a little discomforting because I didn't even understand it was an e-mail being composed (and I was even an Rmail or Gnus user at the time, but it didn't look like an ordinary message buffer somehow), I wasn't sure to whom it was supposed to be sent, and the insertion of data to describe my current state felt like I was throwing in my clothes and bike in the bargain. Maybe one could insert a line like this: "This is an ordinary e-mail which contains harmless data. If you are unsure if whether to send this or not, you are encouraged to do so." -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal