From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Project out of sources compilation Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 17:11:23 +0300 Message-ID: <86sf028rjo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4wwljrdnra3bsloehioa46y24ozxajajmvf2elvskxxq3mhtg2.ref@pyv2z5snot6h> <4wwljrdnra3bsloehioa46y24ozxajajmvf2elvskxxq3mhtg2@pyv2z5snot6h> <87ttl5w0mr.fsf@gmail.com> <1fd527fc-9643-49d2-8fae-d7e7fd043fe1@gutov.dev> <21f05c6124d1281dcec22404d788330abe1e55c0.camel@yandex.ru> <86v84y8yaj.fsf@gnu.org> <122ab8a44f7c4eacd480975246d66ef3a1060d38.camel@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21799"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 03 16:12:19 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rs1Le-0005QQ-Sl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 16:12:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rs1Kx-0004k5-Gq; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 10:11:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rs1Kv-0004jf-SE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 10:11:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rs1Kv-0003mG-15; Wed, 03 Apr 2024 10:11:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=CaR+RsNvIlUkGAaKJ05flG/wAf+ry/EfeVyxQlSZfBk=; b=nISa4DT1C6eNs1SIG3Eo 1a1ysQ6zIjIjuTYwCeY7+Agu41oh3uZmR6wJD9MLA6K7yxbbpegaxE8R9uRUHVcG7i32zAThJQDH3 fj6QW9kzJ/CAsweAaK2pSweYgTx55YMDl/L5r0os0B2SbHSYtjLRvyOw53K6WascZUXLJJbF4yJ74 wsnqcuqM91E2nQPR2Y2xMJwRUwAGzfJh27FoldLCq9396lLKB9aLkSmJnhfAxxrchF9IUH3dHIQ5N vVWNOPUwc0mkpSKcj2eLLocv/cvJ/HDO5Itn8JOOyI0r77J00Bz+1wqY+rGe/sqbX8NG6JFb7l43J wvOFKun14UB2rA==; In-Reply-To: <122ab8a44f7c4eacd480975246d66ef3a1060d38.camel@yandex.ru> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Wed, 03 Apr 2024 16:31:30 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317488 Archived-At: > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > Cc: rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 16:31:30 +0300 > > On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 14:45 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > > > Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 13:40:59 +0300 > > > > > > 1: Emacs does not fully support it though, because while object > > > files > > > and configs do end up inside `build`, however `*.elc` files are > > > still > > > scattered all over the repo. But I hope you get the idea. > > > > The *.elc files are considered part of the source tree (they are in > > the release tarball, and are portable, so no need to rebuild them > > when > > changing some configuration options).   > > They are generated during compilation and are not commited into git. > That makes them build artifacts. How is this relevant to whether or not Emacs supports out of tree builds? Building from Git is a special kind of activity; it has its own INSTALL file and _must_ build some of the files in the source tree. Are you aware of many projects whose build from Git can be done without first populating the source tree with some files? Heck, you don't even have the configure script when you clone the repository, and out-of-tree build works by invoking the configure script from a directory _other_ than the one where the script lives. Right? > The fact they're distributed in release tarballs does not make it > less true. Distributing them in tarballs is not strictly necessary, > exactly because they can be generated by anyone. Not true. > Having .elc files in the source tree results in problems when a user > created a dir `build-feature1` for one feature branch, and a dir > `build-feature2` for another; and then `build-feature1` somehow ends up > having "feature2". Which is because it's using build artifacts that > are outside `build-feature1`. Again, not relevant to the aspect on which I commented. > Thus, Emacs certainly does not fully support "out of tree" builds. It does. You are just talking about a very different kind of "out of tree build".