From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Emacs features via Google Summer of Code (or other similar stipend schemes) (was: as for Calc and the math library) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 14:25:24 +0300 Message-ID: <86sev2yswr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bk20yoya.fsf@dataswamp.org> <86zfpjirkg.fsf@gnu.org> <877ccnj9dp.fsf@localhost> <86bk1zhrf5.fsf@gnu.org> <874j7qkj97.fsf@localhost> <87y152x5v8.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87r0aui7ay.fsf@localhost> <8634nahu9u.fsf@gnu.org> <87bk1xima6.fsf@localhost> <86jzgkheij.fsf@gnu.org> <87mslaytml.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4609"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, acorallo@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 18 13:26:13 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sfe33-000116-30 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:26:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sfe2U-0007xW-VT; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:25:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sfe2T-0007xD-JY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:25:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sfe2T-0007cB-3x; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 07:25:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wHu6Wd9GPMSbtvyQQWIPr7A203BfJdZlj8vOmzviZ+U=; b=k/TKd+cjDUOV 2q00gm1lZH5vYgVCVbuS75zBv/L6TfkB1uUmkkD3DFKF7fDjWhpsRC0lvaI3neN4yQmuJYx83xwaG bnrzJ9LDb4BbVNVOWgRP/HTPF4bh/ziYJC8ap1LJiNjPAuSgH6PGMmdUMRKCKB2YPtIPFHtLlpdJr Mb74jyXeLSseSYCD6OCN1GTfeUhpmhK716ItyuNFuvROEGfZLUa3vqithAV4yQqxne49tvOaTZKt2 75Kw58QLBrtNkW56RRPYcbFNOG5NObTIE+uPit5dydENA8sN97EPdaIfwAq5w/stvBLZW91PPucXR sfr/tDMZl3UffsHn2T3Tew==; In-Reply-To: <87mslaytml.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:09:54 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322884 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, acorallo@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:09:54 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> The interested students will likely also be at least casual Emacs users. > >> So, some degree of familiarity is expected. > > > > User-level familiarity doesn't help in these matters, IME. > > >> Other than that, how is Emacs dramatically different from working with > >> any other large codebase? > > > > In a nutshell, Emacs is much larger than most other projects, and its > > features are much less localized than those of other large projects. > > But not every feature, right? Some parts are easier to hack than others. > I imagine that many Elisp parts are somewhat easier compared to C code. Only if you are lucky, and only if you are familiar with the code in question. > >> What is needed is a formulation of projects/features that are desired. > >> Mentors do not have to be maintainers. Experienced Emacs contributors > >> can be the mentors (also, mentoring a student can be a good addition to > >> some types of CVs). > > > > We have etc/TODO which could be used as a source of ideas. > > Are there any specific todo items there that you view as more suitable > for people with limited experience in Emacs codebase? Possibly, but someone needs to look at them with this in mind.