From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adrian.B.Robert@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: OS X: Change default key bindings of CMD and ALT Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:17:35 +0200 Message-ID: <86r3i39gm8.fsf@gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451549886 15962 80.91.229.3 (31 Dec 2015 08:18:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:18:06 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 31 09:18:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aEYQp-0003kt-GB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:17:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55031 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEYQo-0002HJ-Hn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:17:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEYQk-0002HD-P6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:17:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEYQh-0001yk-Ip for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:17:54 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54744) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aEYQh-0001yg-C9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:17:51 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aEYQd-0003YG-E9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:17:47 +0100 Original-Received: from 193.64.3.205 ([193.64.3.205]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:17:47 +0100 Original-Received: from Adrian.B.Robert by 193.64.3.205 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:17:47 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.64.3.205 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TNhnM3z8i157IStgihwYMvJpkqg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197236 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> Anders Lindgren writes: > >> Unless anybody objects, I'll do this change in the next couple of days. > > No objection from me, since that's how I have things mapped as well. Are > there any other Mac users who have an opinion? With a US keyboard layout, the Alt/Opt key is not used for typing alphanumeric characters or common symbols. At least speaking for myself, I use many other apps besides Emacs on the Mac, and in those my fingers are all well-trained to use the standard system command-key shortcuts. And my fingers are also well-trained to use Alt/Opt to access meta from long use of Emacs on Linux and other platforms. So it's hard to switch this just when using Emacs on the Mac. Thus, if this change is made, I would advocate for it to be a customization toggle, perhaps even in the Options menu, that is easy to switch back. In any case, I think it's a pretty big default change, that at least deserves more than a couple of days warning / discussion.