From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 21:24:55 +0200 Message-ID: <86r0hu4qk8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86fryc1vsh.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29717"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Howard Melman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 02 20:25:48 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rVzAZ-0007TX-R1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 20:25:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVz9p-0000QX-6B; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 14:25:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVz9o-0000QP-2Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 14:25:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVz9n-0007MJ-Qk; Fri, 02 Feb 2024 14:24:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=bn1OvVDzQfk8rhwrwtEiBbUy+4IJg3wcOdHseJnnS8s=; b=W7kSDrHBaLcL 9jsuykQDWcuv7wMigvhkhajBKIJFlEzmxtMOASdBC/hWL0nAczrp63M7HuGbU+TdeB0ceJQSJzCZi GEUsAywW4k2A9syluXIPugZX816RUNz73/X5NV0c7jUoLN5ZSo3bd02FA2FwJ/vEzwjMiPP2BqhLy kJY6iasHl4+ZdIJC+jDyBnN5KIXmsKkeuNuDUgbqvPXU5+rxw3jOmN/k4wySiqC/V3xJc8b7Lxi7x +f/KOM81h4oeOvJa1KyRnMbraec7vjdynCGlw8LXzqT/aeLssitKPOugISSyokih58lLi6eJnefFN yj51iKZi4tj2hx4BvqG89g==; In-Reply-To: (message from Howard Melman on Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:00:30 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315775 Archived-At: > From: Howard Melman > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:00:30 -0500 > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Here is a suggestion - include which-key in core and potentially enable > >> by for new users. > > > > How do we detect "new users"? > > I wonder if a mechanism like disabling could be used? > > According to the elisp manual: > > "Disabling is used for commands which might be confusing to > beginning users, to prevent them from using the commands by > accident." > > Maybe a different property could exist for commands or modes > that are enabled by default for beginners and when used > could prompt to disable them if the user wants? Since we are talking about _enabling_ the feature, the above would mean that veteran users will need to be asked whether to _disable_ it. Wouldn't that be an annoyance?