From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Physical keyboard events Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 17:47:15 +0200 Message-ID: <86r07noxks.fsf@gnu.org> References: <31bdc55d-8c13-4de0-9cef-bd6cc4fb033f@imayhem.com> <19ab52d0-88bd-4378-8fa8-8603e01233e3@imayhem.com> <871pzrl4sn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o72vjk1f.fsf@yahoo.com> <86fro7uo6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87bjyvjdk2.fsf@yahoo.com> <867c9juetb.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmhiihzx.fsf@yahoo.com> <7c1b4258-447f-433c-939e-21df7f9eeec3@imayhem.com> <87ses6hx27.fsf@yahoo.com> <3cc3b427-0adf-49e7-8db7-506803c2b29b@imayhem.com> <87o72tj2hd.fsf@yahoo.com> <8545224f-07a8-435d-8be4-fac9a3b20409@imayhem.com> <86ed3osd3o.fsf@gnu.org> <87bjyrj3e6.fsf@yahoo.com> <86ses3r1ey.fsf@gnu.org> <877c9fhzzq.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2869"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 07 16:48:15 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1t94k1-0000XF-02 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:48:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t94jB-0003X1-LD; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 10:47:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t94jA-0003Wi-DX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 10:47:20 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t94j9-0004ZG-9e; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 10:47:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=aGRhVSrzUqU+EvCA6DX8tjoUhJoGDr/ZMqZDYGihRS4=; b=iS+rWTA5YVUy AZBtn0O0xTcU66jrdrWnJorJvHoEWLVQ3lBJKNLqYL/+2kpervBjBG/rOcG3FgeCkPiey9UR2LFLr 7LEDaLYxUEDHEXs8A/DSOEj4/vuPig04fx5YFZl+MFgrU57s9t/WNzldKiZyvaMviWDT28SC7mzRO Zb7VEkXMDNB3peWEX+wLojv9TPZA8vE97uOuSlagroLxGbS9RC/jGI8Lkj4htxmhntaeNxPaEot+e EO4vxuyN7cWCFZWEBXvhMtEIbQsA5Zywj6UoqkODs0DW0ZeDnHVPuHkG9iPiRxzq9GUKx0N7wyXYV rSqE59z3XXBMe9kBXBzogQ==; In-Reply-To: <877c9fhzzq.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 07 Nov 2024 22:36:57 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325230 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 22:36:57 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Po Lu > >> Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 08:25:53 +0800 > >> > >> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> > >> > I already said that we could have both what you want and what Cecilio > >> > considers TRT. Why do you keep arguing for your concept as the only > >> > one? > >> > >> Because the former is fatally hamstrung for many users, from whom we > >> will undoubtedly receive a spate of issues reporting that their modifier > >> keys are not producing activation events. > > > > I understand what you are saying, but Cecilio and myself clearly > > disagree, so why not have both abilities in Emacs (assuming that it is > > possible and practical)? > > That would be redundant, since there is no key binding inexpressible > with the events I propose that can be expressed with events generated > from keysyms. It isn't redundant, since it reports different events from the same keys.