From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christoph Scholtes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ido-show-dot-for-dired Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:13:56 -0700 Message-ID: <86pqds4n0b.fsf@googlemail.com> References: <4F2DAB95.2030308@gmail.com> <86fwep136v.fsf@googlemail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328501651 15253 80.91.229.3 (6 Feb 2012 04:14:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 04:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Leo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 06 05:14:10 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RuFxw-0004lV-9r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:14:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43767 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuFxv-000399-Pc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:14:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuFxs-00038n-GQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:14:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuFxq-0004qo-AD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:14:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41]:42531) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuFxq-0004qg-68 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:14:02 -0500 Original-Received: by yhoo22 with SMTP id o22so2684356yho.0 for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:14:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=9su7Ngx3RLUmoNSbFVh1s4twUmFuC5Yb9RgbDQXSnwY=; b=KHgmpZPAXTFv6RvUXPoP0+yNr+PBfA/TbIj5njjSfgCZAs50FUgGFg3o8lS0x+DkX6 LJl51ttKGXUX8UwfZkT6Po5thSm3jzqIDm8WsUPDjQMACn3Y5N2/AE2NxP3N+PeMWelr 7mXaioO2IXOYaMYlwD9mcLbTWDs6sr3NKR+Cs= Original-Received: by 10.236.114.199 with SMTP id c47mr22005680yhh.81.1328501641565; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:14:01 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from MARVIN (174-29-192-218.hlrn.qwest.net. [174.29.192.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h20sm32678725ang.7.2012.02.05.20.13.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:14:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:51:43 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (windows-nt) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.213.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148236 Archived-At: Leo writes: > On 2012-02-06 03:38 +0800, Christoph Scholtes wrote: >> However, isn't the dot in case of the C-x d dialog the head of the list? >> If the dot wasn't there, C-j could still send you to the current default >> directory, which would be consistent with the behavior you described in >> the bug report. Whereas now with the dot, C-j and Enter _have_ the same >> effect. They both select the current default-directory. > > The effect is the same but they are different. If "." were not there, > ENTER can not open the current directory. Another concern is C-j is a > bit less friendly towards new users. I see your point. Maybe I am just so used to using C-j for this. I can see how RET is definitely easier for new users. > But your proposal is slightly better for experienced ido users. Maybe we > could make the change you proposed and then advertise C-j more, after > all that is one of the keys users must understand. What do you think? I personally would like the option to turn the dot off for directory lists also. The only other question would be whether one would want the flexibility of having the option ido-show-dot-for-dired in file lists (as it is now) _and_ directory lists separately or whether we can tie them together with one option. How would you advertise the use of C-j? Via manual? Christoph