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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294069 Archived-At: Visuwesh writes: > [=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=81=E0=AE=A4=E0=AE=A9=E0=AF=8D =E0=AE=86=E0=AE=95=E0=AE= =B8=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=9F=E0=AF=8D 24, 2022] Dmitry Gutov wrote: > >> >> On 24.08.2022 19:08, Payas Relekar wrote: >>> Dmitry Gutov writes: >>>=20 >>>> "decent contrast" is a fairly low bar. >>>> >>> Yet surprising amount of*modern* software fails to clear it.. >>> I'm just glad modus-themes makes 'contrast' issues thing of the past >>> in >>> Emacs. Now if icons acheive the same feat, I might just enable the >>> toolbar. >> >> I'm very much in favor of good contrast myself (and light background >> themes). >> >> But whatever issues one might find with a black-on-white icon set, low >> contrast is unlikely to be one of them. >> >> Even though I suppose the base background color of the frame also >> plays a role. > > Like you said in your reply to Po Lu, the lack of "visual detail" is a > major pain point with these monochrome icons. When I used GIMP for the > first time in a while, I was hit by their new monochrome (low contrast > too) icons and I was handicapped. I could not tell which icon was which > tool from a glance and I had to wait for the tooltip to show up. I > regularly have this problem with drawing as well. > > The fully coloured icons help me to tell what one thing does in a glance > as I look at the "colour" and decide what I need but with monochrome > icons, I have to rely on the detail which is more taxing on my brain > when I'm in auto-pilot. I think the following sums up the current trend quite well ... https://images.app.goo.gl/gs8AWu183rq7peTPA