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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, acorallo@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MPS codegen
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 09:11:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86plsiwxag.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87jzire36a.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Helmut Eller on Fri, 14 Jun 2024 21:26:37 +0200)

> From: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
> Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com,  acorallo@gnu.org,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 21:26:37 +0200
> 
> On Fri, Jun 14 2024, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> > More generally, what exactly has been changed wrt loading from the
> > pdumper file since commit 219f7d5?
> 
> The file is first loaded (mostly) as before; then all objects from the
> hot section are copied to a MPS managed region.  Finally the hot section
> is discarded.

Can't we instead tell MPS not to move or manage any objects loaded
from the pdumper file?  That's basically what we do now on master: any
object loaded from the pdumper file is considered immutable.

> My hypothesis is that discard_dump is the problem.  The hot section
> probably contains something that isn't properly copied and
> dump_discard_mem seems to be a bit different on Windows.  Why it even
> works on Linux is a mystery to me :-).

The Windows code decommits the memory region and makes it
inaccessible.  By contrast, the posix_madvise method is AFAIU just an
advisory, and doesn't necessarily make the memory inaccessible.
Moreover, the Linux man page says:

       In glibc, this function is implemented using madvise(2).
       However, since glibc 2.6, POSIX_MADV_DONTNEED is treated as a no-
       op, because the corresponding madvise(2) value, MADV_DONTNEED,
       has destructive semantics.

So to do on Posix systems the same as we do on Windows, I think we
need to call madvise with MADV_DONTNEED, even if posix_madvise is
available, and also call mmap with PROT_NONE.  Do you agree?  If we do
that, does the GNU/Linux build still work, or does it also crash on
startup?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-15  6:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-10 13:39 MPS: Update Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-10 16:17 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-06-10 16:26   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-10 16:44     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-10 20:58       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-06-11  3:12         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-11 20:35 ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-12  4:45   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-12  7:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-12  8:00       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-13  9:07         ` MPS codegen (was: MPS: Update) Helmut Eller
2024-06-13 12:33           ` MPS codegen Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-13 17:48             ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-13 18:24               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-13 18:31                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-13 18:38                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-13 18:54                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-13 19:15                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-13 19:37                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14  6:37                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-14  7:30                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14  7:56                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14 10:52                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-14 10:46                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-13 23:09                 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-06-14  6:08                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14  7:45                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-14  7:59                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14  8:28                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14  8:51                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-14 11:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-14 12:43                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14 13:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-14 13:17                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14 13:46                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-14 14:05                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14 14:33                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-14 14:46                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-14 16:30                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-14 18:28                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-14 19:03                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-14 19:26                                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-14 19:50                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-15  6:26                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-15  7:10                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-15  7:34                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-15  8:22                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-15  6:11                                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-06-15  7:25                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-15  7:46                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-15  8:14                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-15  8:38                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-15  8:44                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-15  8:56                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-15  9:07                                                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-15  9:27                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-15 12:33                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-16  6:16                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-16  7:53                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-16  8:19                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-16  8:40                                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-16  8:49                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann

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