From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 09:03:33 +0200 Message-ID: <86plmnoim2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86frnkpujt.fsf@gnu.org> <87frnki1b2.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6551"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ams@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 22 08:04:24 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tENiJ-0001an-Na for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:04:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tENhZ-0005gS-Da; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 02:03:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tENhX-0005gD-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 02:03:35 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tENhX-0003ZQ-17; Fri, 22 Nov 2024 02:03:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=dLkRcEGfRIfuVMkuI+zkkEUsFD7iYFXeuuHP++bF1No=; b=sAyToOJZ3Lup pWM0O5bF5nUtrD4R1dc6bEftqBWRvYM3VKSBeIwR/zEXJzPuW0n/p2R3k/154Y+1dBXgJGAerhtvA zAKdsO85KUgDdoQEZ9pIBVwPGIJO3Iw0I2j1PJv6il+KIv85OG/g44r1t8jfSF7DBXrcmRnQBvCrP AF42u6xa7lVZby4qZXO9S5M/2qvTAN4evUm412hZ4S706B4tiyIP9Uf5qDo9lWGuIbQS4n9OvZ9iy AQfZh0fY0jDQxNUh6cAfg+qLL7is6vPK/m9ZU8XnA51eR8fLDBePWCMN6wfNSJAdZt6KFxsbN/KIn uNXaN49nWlyilCN74cAcLw==; In-Reply-To: <87frnki1b2.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:01:37 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325571 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:01:37 +0800 > > "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > > > > I've had continual trouble over the last ~20 years with what Stefan has > > > done, and how he's done it. Nobody else even comes close. > > > > I can only say that I completely disagree with your unfavorable (to > > say the least) description of Stefan's conduct here, and regret and am > > very sorry that you somehow came to these conclusions, which IMO are > > very wrong. > > > > This has been brewing for a long time and you're putting your head > > into the sand Eli, Alan is utterly on point. Your comment is not > > helping to mitigate the damage that has been caused in the least, and > > making it worse. > > Yes, there has lately appeared a ``relentless modernization drive'', if > you will. Most of these changes are not worth the controversy they > create. Given that many community members seem to think our current approach is actually too conservative and prevents faster progress, I guess the reality is somewhere in the middle, probably quite farther from that "relentless modernization" than you seem to imply.