From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release schedule Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:12:53 +0200 Message-ID: <86mz0zhb4q.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87r6qdlecf.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <85bqhg4q6w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177308793 1236 80.91.229.12 (23 Apr 2007 06:13:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, lekktu@gmail.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk, eliz@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 23 08:13:06 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HfrnL-00016T-C7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:13:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfrsh-0002K5-SJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:18:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfrsf-0002Js-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:18:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfrsc-0002Jg-I1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:18:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hfrsc-0002Jc-Eq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:18:30 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HfrnE-0006be-V2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 02:12:57 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (pd95b0fdb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.91.15.219]) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21590 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:12:50 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 29385 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2007 06:12:54 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2007 06:12:54 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6EA3C8F86E; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:12:54 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon\, 23 Apr 2007 01\:13\:47 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69837 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> If only we'd manage to get a pretest cycle finished without somebody >> noticing things that "really need to" get reorganized before the >> release. > >> It is a good thing someone noticed! > > It's not. I can easily come up with "something that needs > reorganizing" or even with plain bugs. I don't know how long I > could keep it up, but I'm pretty sure I could delay the release by a > few years this way. > > Emacs is and has always be "approximate", allowing itself incorrect > behaviors in various "corner" cases, based on the expectation that > the user will notice it. The result is "a big happy mess" that's > also tremendously useful. Fixing it would amount to breaking it. "Fixing" and "reorganizing" stuff eternally is not tantamount to breaking Emacs. It is tantamount to keeping Emacs to ourselves and not let the users have it. -- David Kastrup