From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Carbon port and multi-tty Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:16:50 +0200 Message-ID: <86myn2wh9p.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87r6cf1if3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805070428.m474SbH6002408@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805070555.m475tCRi004681@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <85d4ny4ny4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wsm6a6p6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <868wymy07s.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210155435 15977 80.91.229.12 (7 May 2008 10:17:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Dan Nicolaescu , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Chong Yidong , Stefan Monnier To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 12:17:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JtgiZ-000080-3g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 12:17:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51761 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jtghq-0004j4-Qg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jtghk-0004im-8A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:16:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jtghi-0004iE-Jx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:16:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57750 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jtghi-0004i7-6i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:16:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jtghg-0004K7-S4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 13435 invoked from network); 7 May 2008 10:16:51 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by quinx.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 May 2008 10:16:50 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D1620E1E57; Wed, 7 May 2008 12:16:50 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu's message of "Wed, 07 May 2008 19:07:09 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.8.0.11; VDF: 7.0.4.9; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96676 Archived-At: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu writes: > I'd really really like to stop. Just one thing. > >>>>>> On Wed, 07 May 2008 10:42:15 +0200, David Kastrup said: > >> Large amounts of work for some programs go into supporting things >> like compatibility with Windows or XEmacs or similar where the >> developers themselves are not actually using the platform in >> question. > > I really respect such efforts, and I think I understand that to some > extent because I've been supporting several older versions of OSes or > configurations that I don't usually use. > > Again, I'm saying about mixing unrelated changes, not about the > breakage on a particular platform that I'm working on. We are talking about CVS here, not git. There is no good off-line way to clean up and reorganize patch sets before committing. And you have been foaming at your mouth for some dozen mails here in the abstract before finally coming up with the information that all that bile centered around a single line in a 1000+ line change. I mean, get real. That's an excellent ratio of problematic lines per work done. In particular when the developer does only have spurious knowledge of the platform and limited testing possibilities. -- David Kastrup