From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 17:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: <86mshtsyur.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9261"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 20 16:35:33 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tDmjs-0002D9-NI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 16:35:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tDmj5-0002JX-KH; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:34:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tDmj3-0002IH-It for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:34:41 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tDmj2-0003jy-HO; Wed, 20 Nov 2024 10:34:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=QnijIYdxmXsN7MEj4eFQOmXwtz6VllL1olcvSVwyzLY=; b=M1xsNrvdgDUk kBs43NJiP8HFsrwvnSyWDlAsBpc263BYh2+MOkEud4ezIss+lyU54c9FYL3cEjnyDQ2K5dGt/3NF8 e+Zu9qBikbDiqldvsCkdlQOwoZG+2qgwCXkldiKUmb7uiDyjU1wtvKontVprCXwhP0HuCQ2X34Pas TRmkKlt6UZQYgVcOBqV1j4/eWy6Fm0Hoc5uxW0pof4Jf181GjfUi5bx7p/cT7pLvVuK1rRxpXPUUF sEjRtQW/Bcus/qdGoRlsF3ng8zBkKyFpGjUddNho7kmDh6sDO8/Dy2OUy44zbpmG1jTtAR5OkGuG5 H2ZXTiohH9a71EKH29NnWw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:13:18 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325521 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:13:18 +0000 > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > Hello, Emacs. > > I'm resigning my position as Emacs contributor. I regret very much this decision of yours, and urge you to reconsider. Your many-year contributions to Emacs in general and to CC Mode in particular are greatly appreciated and will be sorely missed if you decide to go with this decision. > Stefan's habit of making big changes in Emacs without seeking consensus > is at the heart of why I am resigning. These changes have caused Emacs a > lot of damage over the years and have caused other contributors, > including me, extra work and difficulty. Stefan is a Jekyll-and-Hyde > character. On the one hand, he's a very capable hacker, and is always > ready to help others with technical questions. On the other hand, as > mentioned, he is contemptuous of the Emacs conventions, and unlike > Richard and Eli, does not have the gift of knowing what the Right Thing > is. I must say that I disagree with this assessment of what Stefan did in that case, and don't find anything unbecoming in his behavior, neither in general nor in that particular case. Yes, that change should have been discussed more thoroughly; no, Stefan didn't do anything that doesn't happen here every other day, and certainly didn't have any malicious intentions when he installed that change. > It just remains to say that my respect for Eli and the other maintainers > remains undiminished, and that I wish all of them and the Emacs project > all success in the future. And the same to you. But please do reconsider.