From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: igc: trying to chase a crash Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 17:06:19 +0200 Message-ID: <86mshkg1hw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874j3v2lq3.fsf@telefonica.net> <864j3vi0d0.fsf@gnu.org> <87zfln1468.fsf@telefonica.net> <86zflngk0j.fsf@gnu.org> <87v7wb11hk.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20774"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acorallo@gnu.org, yandros@gmail.com, ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 27 16:08:39 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tGJeg-0005EO-Da for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 16:08:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tGJdm-0003Cg-8P; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:07:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tGJcV-0001bt-EO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:06:24 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tGJcU-0008RM-NF; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:06:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=hbI3lv/x7LLgKKTwzNT+veaKS5NyMKJdyMR1jxU8lAE=; b=qd9ojEpgfRkmcvRadkzL +yzswmRssBygTXKGeIZRndrBcGNAQih7wFB6KzizEl317mPg5TUdLpIpWCegqSl4UrZiOgdMBjzy0 DgLSfgumpOlkSh8pISx4ksr+aYHZIQPUugkt4qRe4W1tLxUCea1zHS/qdDGtY6Qj+7ZWU46VCdJFI ZYICAUZcSteQyD6FQ3SthaNwRhbKoWjCtv3cuH5UPtl5lcr7vsnQ6GPrpfsGRhLIk5EMYF9drh4rq 6oOTwhlszHGi2Q7cX1X32+ELzW+v+Epfu0klu0TiMKJABefLDZbLcR5EGB0rc5mdfbl9ifcUsbl9o dSVOEvG21IKafQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6llmann?= on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:55:00 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325774 Archived-At: > From: Gerd Möllmann > Cc: chad , Óscar Fuentes , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:55:00 +0100 > > So, you did a ton of work, also outside the technical aspects, to get it > in, certainly requiring a very strong motivation and will power over a > long time. > > If that's a requirement, maybe it is the reason why users are ignoring > igc, indeed. It's indeed true that Andrea did a ton of work, but I don't think it's true that "users are ignoring igc". The branch was built and tested at least to some extent on all the important supported platforms which can build it (perhaps with the exception of Android), so I think you are good. What needs to be worked on there are those unresolved issues we know about, like handling of signals when MPS is GC-ing and a few others. When those issues are resolved, the branch will be a good candidate for landing, I think. (And then we will have a flood of exciting bugs, of course, but that happens with every major new feature.) > And in that case, the question would be, if the project or > some individual(s) could or want to do something similar. Which I can't > answer. I won't do it, though, which I think I said already too often. > And, from my POV, no one can be blamed for not having that stamina. I agree that if someone volunteers to oversee the branch, its testing, and its merge to master at some future point, we might be able to move faster with it.