EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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I completely fail to understand this sentence :
> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not done.

What is `done' ? Should it be
> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not matched.

?

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:

> I completely fail to understand this sentence :
>> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not done.
>
> What is `done' ? Should it be
>> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not matched.
>
> ?

Speaking of which, any idea what does this sentence mean :
> Type \kbd{F10} to activate the menu bar using the minibuffer.
?

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[David Kastrup]

michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:

> michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:
>
>> I completely fail to understand this sentence :
>>> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not done.
>>
>> What is `done' ? Should it be
>>> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not matched.
>>
>> ?
>
> Speaking of which, any idea what does this sentence mean :
>> Type \kbd{F10} to activate the menu bar using the minibuffer.

You have to try it out to believe it.

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[David Kastrup]

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

> michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:
>
>> michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:
>>
>>> I completely fail to understand this sentence :
>>>> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not done.
>>>
>>> What is `done' ? Should it be
>>>> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not matched.
>>>
>>> ?
>>
>> Speaking of which, any idea what does this sentence mean :
>>> Type \kbd{F10} to activate the menu bar using the minibuffer.
>
> You have to try it out to believe it.

Oops.  It would appear that this is no longer what it used to be on
windowing systems.

The description appears now to apply to M-` only, at least on GTK+ and
likely also other window-systems.

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

>>> Speaking of which, any idea what does this sentence mean :
>>>> Type \kbd{F10} to activate the menu bar using the minibuffer.
>>
>> You have to try it out to believe it.

:-)

> Oops.  It would appear that this is no longer what it used to be on
> windowing systems.
>
> The description appears now to apply to M-` only, at least on GTK+ and
> likely also other window-systems.

Oooh, okey, I see ! Now I'm a believer. Should we change this sentence
to tell it's M-` job now?

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Jan Djärv]

David Kastrup skrev:
> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>> michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:
>>
>>> Speaking of which, any idea what does this sentence mean :
>>>> Type \kbd{F10} to activate the menu bar using the minibuffer.
>> You have to try it out to believe it.
> 
> Oops.  It would appear that this is no longer what it used to be on
> windowing systems.
> 
> The description appears now to apply to M-` only, at least on GTK+ and
> likely also other window-systems.
> 

It works for me with trunk and 22_BASE, Gtk+, Lesstif/Motif and Lucid widgets.
 Isn't F10 bound to x-menu-bar-open for you?  Or perhaps your window manager
is stealing all F10?

	Jan D.

Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:

> It works for me with trunk and 22_BASE, Gtk+, Lesstif/Motif and Lucid widgets.
>  Isn't F10 bound to x-menu-bar-open for you?  Or perhaps your window manager
> is stealing all F10?

Well, it opens the menu bar, but doesn't use the minibuffer, as the
refcard says. So I'm for the replacement of F10 by M-` in the documents.

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[David Kastrup]

Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:

> David Kastrup skrev:
>> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>>> michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:
>>>
>>>> Speaking of which, any idea what does this sentence mean :
>>>>> Type \kbd{F10} to activate the menu bar using the minibuffer.
>>> You have to try it out to believe it.
>> 
>> Oops.  It would appear that this is no longer what it used to be on
>> windowing systems.
>> 
>> The description appears now to apply to M-` only, at least on GTK+ and
>> likely also other window-systems.
>> 
>
> It works for me with trunk and 22_BASE, Gtk+, Lesstif/Motif and Lucid widgets.
>  Isn't F10 bound to x-menu-bar-open for you?  Or perhaps your window manager
> is stealing all F10?

    <f10> runs the command x-menu-bar-open
      which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `/usr/share/emacs/22.0.91/lisp/term/x-win.elc'.
    It is bound to <f10>.
    (x-menu-bar-open &optional FRAME)

    Open the menu bar if `menu-bar-mode' is on. otherwise call `tmm-menubar'.

Do you have menu-bar-mode off?

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Jan Djärv]

David Kastrup skrev:

>> It works for me with trunk and 22_BASE, Gtk+, Lesstif/Motif and Lucid widgets.
>>  Isn't F10 bound to x-menu-bar-open for you?  Or perhaps your window manager
>> is stealing all F10?
> 
>     <f10> runs the command x-menu-bar-open
>       which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `/usr/share/emacs/22.0.91/lisp/term/x-win.elc'.
>     It is bound to <f10>.
>     (x-menu-bar-open &optional FRAME)
> 
>     Open the menu bar if `menu-bar-mode' is on. otherwise call `tmm-menubar'.
> 
> Do you have menu-bar-mode off?
> 

Aha, I misunderstood the problem.

	Jan D.

Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:

> michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:
>
>> I completely fail to understand this sentence :
>>> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not done.
>>
>> What is `done' ? Should it be
>>> If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not matched.
>>
>> ?
>
> Speaking of which, any idea what does this sentence mean :
>> Type \kbd{F10} to activate the menu bar using the minibuffer.
> ?

Speaking of which of which, I'm not convinced by the docstring of the
example :
  "Reposition line point is on to top of window."
Well, it was very painful for me to parse this one.

What about, "Reposition current line to top of window." ?

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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michael@cadilhac.name (Michaël Cadilhac) writes:

> Speaking of which of which, I'm not convinced by the docstring of the
> example :
>   "Reposition line point is on to top of window."
> Well, it was very painful for me to parse this one.
>
> What about, "Reposition current line to top of window." ?

About this example : is it a Good Thing to use (interactive "P") and
make the to-number conversion by hand ? (interactive "p") produces a too
small example maybe ? :-)

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Richard Stallman]

    About this example : is it a Good Thing to use (interactive "P") and
    make the to-number conversion by hand ? (interactive "p") produces a too
    small example maybe ? :-)

The test for nil won't work with "p".

Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Richard Stallman]

      "Reposition line point is on to top of window."
    Well, it was very painful for me to parse this one.

    What about, "Reposition current line to top of window." ?

Good idea.  Thanks.

Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Richard Stallman]

    Speaking of which, any idea what does this sentence mean :
    > Type \kbd{F10} to activate the menu bar using the minibuffer.

I will clarify that.
Thanks.

Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Richard Stallman]

    What is `done' ? Should it be
    > If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not matched.

Yes, it should be.

With that change, does the page still fit
properly when formatted?

Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     What is `done' ? Should it be
>     > If Emacs is still searching, \kbd{C-g} cancels only the part not matched.
>
> Yes, it should be.
>
> With that change, does the page still fit
> properly when formatted?

Yes it does. Which change do you want me to install? [1]

Note that I can't do anything for other languages, except for the F11 ->
M-` change (and for French).

Footnotes: 
[1]  i.e.
     1) F11->M-`
     2) Reposition line point is on -> Reposition current line
     3) And this one: done -> matched.

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Re: EN refcard (and others) nonsense sentence ?

[Richard Stallman]

    > With that change, does the page still fit
    > properly when formatted?

    Yes it does. Which change do you want me to install? [1]

I will install that, along with some other changes.