From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:59:30 -0600 Message-ID: <86lha3c7kt.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <87ziyuaqhl.fsf@petton.fr> <83twovm9es.fsf@gnu.org> <868u65afvh.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87lha5snji.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <87d1vhsmuj.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <878u65slue.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <874mgtsjwn.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <867flp8nb7.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <9e33129a-07d0-4abe-a94e-32d6d881519b@default> <86bnb06g7g.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87bnazpb8n.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447358415 21448 80.91.229.3 (12 Nov 2015 20:00:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 12 21:00:04 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwy2O-00044L-0O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:00:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49532 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwy2N-0000hr-C6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47170) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwy2A-0000hP-Bw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:59:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwy27-0003ya-49 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:59:50 -0500 Original-Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([69.89.25.95]:36726) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwy26-0003y1-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:59:47 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 4184 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2015 19:59:43 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2015 19:59:43 -0000 Original-Received: from host114.hostmonster.com ([74.220.207.114]) by CMOut01 with id gjzZ1r0032UdiVW01jzcal; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:59:41 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=VOBOwb/X c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=CQdxDb2CKd3SRg4I0/XZPQ==:117 a=CQdxDb2CKd3SRg4I0/XZPQ==:17 a=DsvgjBjRAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=9i_RQKNPAAAA:8 a=hEr_IkYJT6EA:10 a=x_XPkuGwIRMA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=vg3opETtAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=hYjuKAM7y8NR-oXIiRYA:9 a=NjLF4yYWi1cRAHEm:21 a=S94MN13ZQjjzWPxa:21 Original-Received: from [76.218.37.33] (port=56472 helo=TAKVER2) by host114.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwy1t-0007S8-Tg; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:59:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87bnazpb8n.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:02:00 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (windows-nt) X-Identified-User: {2442:host114.hostmonster.com:stephele:stephe-leake.org} {sentby:smtp auth 76.218.37.33 authed with stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org} X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 69.89.25.95 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194279 Archived-At: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: > John Wiegley writes: > >>>>>>> Richard Stallman writes: >> >>> If a package is useful to recommend, and we CAN get papers for it, we >>> definitely want to move it to GNU ELPA. >> >> Yes, this is why I want to clearly define ELPA policy, and streamline things >> as much as possible for developers and users: so that it becomes a more >> attractive means for distributing Emacs packages. I think many people may be >> largely ignoring it right now, and so they reach for MELPA. Since so many >> people contribute to MELPA, they consider it a more attractive distribution >> platform. > > > MELPA is also *easier* to contribute to. Aside from copyright issues, it > involves writing something that looks like lisp, testing on your local > fork, then a PR. > > With GNU ELPA, it involves some fairly obscure git cleverness. It's only normal git cleverness; there's nothing special about the Gnu ELPA git. Unless you are using an "external" package, perhaps. I can understand treating all of git as "obscure", if that's what you meant. I much prefer monotone. > GNU ELPA could be made easier by allowing recipes, and by accepting > PRs. This avoids the necessity to have commit access to GNU ELPA to > contribute. "PR" is "Pull Request"? Doesn't that mean "pull from my git repository"? Or is it more general than that? > Finally, I think that core devs should contribute to individual packages > by PR to their repos. I'm guessing "their repos" is _not_ Gnu ELPA git? So this only applies to packages that have a primary repo that is not Gnu ELPA git. I agree that any one that edits a Gnu ELPA package in Gnu ELPA git should also notify the upstream project if there is one. But they do not have to wait for approval if it's a critical bug. Normal ettiquette should apply of course. This is more important for tarball and core ELPA packages, since they are part of the blessed Emacs standard library; Emacs developers can edit those as if they were in core. -- -- Stephe