From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:52:38 -0600 Message-ID: <86k2pp8o21.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <87ziyuaqhl.fsf@petton.fr> <87fv0labbf.fsf@web.de> <87y4eda0kl.fsf@petton.fr> <22074.42230.156669.584780@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <87ziyoxvdp.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83k2psnzyh.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvuorz7n.fsf@gmail.com> <8337wfon3f.fsf@gnu.org> <56401834.8080402@yandex.ru> <83ziynma4s.fsf@gnu.org> <5640C6A0.5010709@yandex.ru> <83twovm9es.fsf@gnu.org> <868u65afvh.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87lha5snji.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447196013 16150 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 22:53:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 22:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: aaronecay@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: David Engster Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 23:53:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwHmg-0003Bm-5d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:53:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35971 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwHmf-000396-RQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:53:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38231) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwHma-000390-Pc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:52:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwHmV-0003Z8-QE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:52:56 -0500 Original-Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([67.222.38.55]:53742) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwHmV-0003Yz-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:52:51 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 27544 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 2015 22:52:47 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2015 22:52:47 -0000 Original-Received: from host114.hostmonster.com ([74.220.207.114]) by cmgw3 with id g5sh1r00j2UdiVW015sk0u; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 22:52:44 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Caqbutbl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=CQdxDb2CKd3SRg4I0/XZPQ==:117 a=CQdxDb2CKd3SRg4I0/XZPQ==:17 a=DsvgjBjRAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=9i_RQKNPAAAA:8 a=hEr_IkYJT6EA:10 a=x_XPkuGwIRMA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=WnMUx2uoWDbKmLZZ-eUA:9 Original-Received: from [76.218.37.33] (port=52793 helo=TAKVER2) by host114.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwHmN-0001Nc-Mh; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:52:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:52:41 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (windows-nt) X-Identified-User: {2442:host114.hostmonster.com:stephele:stephe-leake.org} {sentby:smtp auth 76.218.37.33 authed with stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org} X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 67.222.38.55 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193988 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> David Engster writes: > >>> Large packages like CEDET should move outside of Emacs.git and into >>> Elpa.git. > >> Why? > > There will never be 100% agreement on whether they should be in ELPA, or be in > Core, so I'm making the decision that they belong in ELPA. I'm happy to have someone making decisions, but there needs to be some rationale given, so we understand the tradeoffs. I believe the rationale here is: - CEDET is not used by other core Emacs code (xref.el will be fixed) - code that is not used by other core Emacs code clutters the workspace, producing extra hits in greps, etc. - CEDET can still be included in the Emacs tarball, so users do not have to use list-packages to install it (this requires a to be implemented mechanism). >> From my experience, git submodules are never seamless to work with. > > Even still, they work perfectly fine for this purpose. I would like to see an actual demonstration, please; there are lots of devils in the details. Which means: Please post a clear recipe for setting up an Emacs + ELPA developer workspace, starting from git clone, so I can try this on my machine. The test is then that some core Emacs code depend on some ELPA package; we'd need branches in both to make that happen, since it doesn't now. -- -- Stephe