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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::642 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247564 Archived-At: > I'd say Emacs can be made to look just as nice as VS Code with some > minor tweaks, and yeah it would be nice if Stefan's package (or > something similar) would be able to suggest Geiser upon opening a Scheme > (or Racket) file. I wonder what kind of effect it will have on the community when packages in the same domain compete to be "anointed" as the package that Emacs shall recommend for a particular file type or feature. Or do we approach it like the EU did with web browsers, and when Emacs boots, we suggest either enabling Ivy, Helm, or Company for text completion? There are never more than a few packages seriously competing in the same domain anyway, if one can even call it competition.