From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Carbon port and multi-tty Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:51:36 +0200 Message-ID: <86iqxqwfnr.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87r6cf1if3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805070428.m474SbH6002408@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805070555.m475tCRi004681@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <85d4ny4ny4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wsm6a6p6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <868wymy07s.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86ve1qwhtc.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210157753 23122 80.91.229.12 (7 May 2008 10:55:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 12:56:28 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JthJt-0004uK-4Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 12:56:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43085 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JthJB-0004kB-Br for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:55:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JthFO-0003Is-Hv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:51:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JthFM-0003Hw-1U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:51:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60503 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JthFL-0003Hi-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:51:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JthFK-0005cY-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:51:39 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 16974 invoked from network); 7 May 2008 10:51:36 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by quinx.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 May 2008 10:51:35 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 601BCE1E57; Wed, 7 May 2008 12:51:36 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 07 May 2008 13:26:45 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.8.0.11; VDF: 7.0.4.9; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96679 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:05:03 +0200 >> >> If they don't care enough, why should I when I am not even affected? > > Because you want to be better then they are? I have a better chance for that on my home turf. Because there I have a good notion about what is important and what not, and I _see_ the results of my work every day and can estimate its quality. As an example: I seem to remember that you gave the MSDOS port a text-mode CUA-like menu behavior and look, whereas this does not hold true for text-mode on other operating systems (where tmm-mode is almost universally despised). I am not even sure there is any remaining user of MSDOS Emacs. So how does it make you a better person if you focus on supporting something which nobody seems to care about, anyway? Then this "better" is basically just making a statement about your skills, but not its beneficial effect on others. I am not in a position to direct your efforts elsewhere, and indeed I use text mode rarely enough nowadays that it would make much of a difference for myself. There are users that still prefer text terminals, though. But then the MSDOS code presumably is there, and if somebody was _really_ agitated about it, he could attempt a port. It may be a wart, but it is not like it is a fresh one... -- David Kastrup