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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, pipcet@protonmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MPS: weak hash tables
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 14:13:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86ikxi4vt5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878qye3l81.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Helmut Eller on Sat, 06 Jul 2024 11:47:58 +0200)

> From: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
> Cc: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>,  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  Emacs
>  Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 11:47:58 +0200
> 
> On Sat, Jul 06 2024, Gerd Möllmann wrote:
> 
> >> ert-tests.el worries me the most.  There, MPS looks pretty bad compared
> >> to the old GC.  (Who would have thought that printing backtraces
> >> involves copying and rebalancing interval trees with thousands of nodes?
> >> And why does it perform so poorly with a generational GC?)
> >
> > Hm, sounds almost like a bug to me. The bug being the copying. Why does
> > it do that, do you know?
> 
> One reason may be that something tries to remove invisible text with
> buffer-substring.  That needs to copy part of the interval tree.  But
> the copying happens for both, the MPS and the non-MPS version.
> 
> When I run
> 
>  perf record ../src/emacs -Q --batch -l lisp/emacs-lisp/ert-tests.el
>  --eval '(ert-run-tests-batch-and-exit
>  "ert-test-\\(parse\\|plist\\|record\\|run-tests-batch-exp\\)")'
>  
> then the top entries in the perf output for the MPS version looks like:
> 
>    9.55%  emacs    emacs                       [.] balance_an_interval
>    5.46%  emacs    emacs                       [.] amcSegFix
>    5.20%  emacs    emacs                       [.] exec_byte_code
>    3.71%  emacs    emacs                       [.] _mps_fix2
>    3.10%  emacs    emacs                       [.] fix_lisp_obj
>    2.81%  emacs    emacs                       [.] SegSetGrey
>    2.37%  emacs    emacs                       [.] shieldQueue
>    2.29%  emacs    emacs                       [.] SegFix
>    2.24%  emacs    emacs                       [.] is_dflt_fwd
>    2.07%  emacs    emacs                       [.] alloc_impl
>    2.02%  emacs    emacs                       [.] dflt_scan_obj.constprop.0
> 
> and the non-MPS version:
> 
>   19.63%  emacs    emacs                 [.] balance_an_interval
>   10.22%  emacs    emacs                 [.] exec_byte_code
>    9.73%  emacs    emacs                 [.] process_mark_stack
>    3.04%  emacs    emacs                 [.] next_interval
>    2.42%  emacs    emacs                 [.] sweep_intervals
>    2.26%  emacs    emacs                 [.] Fmemq
>    2.16%  emacs    emacs                 [.] find_interval
>    2.05%  emacs    emacs                 [.] Fcons
> 
> So balance_an_interval is pretty high in both, but it seems that the GC
> related part is quite a bit bigger for the MPS version.  Maybe it has
> something to do with memory barriers.

Isn't the call to balance_an_interval made from sweep_buffers and
sweep_strings?  We balance the intervals of the buffers and strings
that survived GC, to make accessing these trees faster.

How did you conclude that rebalancing interval trees is needed for
printing backtraces?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-06 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-01 20:47 MPS: weak hash tables Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 21:16 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 23:10   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  4:19     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  5:47     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  6:23       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  6:55         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  9:15           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  9:37             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 10:11               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 11:36               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 13:16                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 15:03                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 15:17                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-02 15:35                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 16:34                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 18:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 20:16                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  6:30                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 11:23                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 11:28                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 12:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 11:23         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-03  6:11           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  6:33             ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  7:04               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  7:24                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-03  7:25                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  7:38                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  8:26                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  9:31                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 10:22                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 10:41                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 11:17                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 20:20                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04  7:17                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 15:24                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 16:53                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 20:05                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-05  3:50                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-05 12:08                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-05 12:54                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-05 13:27                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-05 20:35                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  6:31                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  7:00                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  7:40                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  9:13                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 10:59                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-05 18:14                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-05 19:25                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  3:39                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  5:58                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:20                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  6:29                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:51                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  6:46                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  9:23                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 11:03                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  3:38                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  9:47                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 10:38                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 11:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-07-06 13:50                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 13:59                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 14:38                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 16:20                                                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 16:33                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 16:48                                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 17:21                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 17:59                                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 18:14                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 18:56                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 11:37                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 11:40                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 11:57                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:16                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:23                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 12:39                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:30                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:43                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 13:53                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:36                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:00                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 14:08                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:24                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:44                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 14:52                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 15:49                                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 16:31                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 16:56                                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 17:28                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 17:31                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 18:30                                                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 20:00                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 20:09                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-07  3:55                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  4:27                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  4:30                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  6:38                                                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07  7:31                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  7:44                                                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07  8:10                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:24                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:47                                                                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07  9:24                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  9:26                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 10:47                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 11:19                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:09                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 14:15                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:42                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 14:52                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:34                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 15:36                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 16:00                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 17:08                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 17:49                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 18:15                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:22                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 18:29                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:16                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:18                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 10:57                                                                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 11:35                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 11:48                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:07                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:21                                                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 14:27                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:22                                                                                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 15:40                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:52                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 15:56                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:57                                                                                                         ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 16:26                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 17:03                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:40                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:53                                                                                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 19:00                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 19:31                                                                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 19:36                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:11                                                                                                                     ` MPS: commit limit Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-10  6:46                                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-10  7:08                                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 15:16                                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 15:27                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 15:43                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 15:54                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 16:29                                                                                                                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 16:39                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 16:43                                                                                                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-16 16:56                                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 15:32                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 16:27                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 18:49                                                                                                                             ` Pip Cet
2024-07-17  6:15                                                                                                                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 16:32                                                                                                                         ` Pip Cet
2024-07-16 16:48                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-08  5:11                                                                                                             ` MPS: weak hash tables Pip Cet
2024-07-08  5:17                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  5:37                                                                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-08  5:43                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:49                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:16                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-07-08  9:24                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:54                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-07-08 10:10                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 11:57                                                             ` MPS: out-of-memory Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-08 13:46                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 16:45                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-08 18:26                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:44                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-09  3:58                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 18:27                                                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-08 18:31                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:14                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-08 19:35                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:08                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-08 19:31                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 15:22                         ` MPS: weak hash tables Helmut Eller
2024-07-04 15:33                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 16:46                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 16:43                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:50         ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-07-02  6:57     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  7:15       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  8:46         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-02  8:59           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  9:33             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-02  9:35               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 11:03                 ` Ihor Radchenko

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