From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: how to speed up Lisp devel time Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2024 13:43:07 +0300 Message-ID: <86ikwakmdg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y156413v.fsf@dataswamp.org> <86sevekvjy.fsf@gnu.org> <87v80a402y.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21469"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 09 12:43:59 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1scN6E-0005Px-Bw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2024 12:43:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1scN5V-00068z-Oy; Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:43:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1scN5T-00068W-Ut for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1scN5S-0001oi-PU; Fri, 09 Aug 2024 06:43:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=oWAypnmXDs6yUNotcXJxMyIJ9ZLmsg0ZgJDGuLgq4EI=; b=Kwsj6a+WHd+9 3vtV5nB4C+vaAKDBsAgmRsWcoqlxhmYA162/bTYkNCFNL/nLqn7iwG8xEfdqcqtbbrGJ4cA71l0Hz dWt1cdRiF0NPZWfx2gcwRBCv6LkiGdfnCP7joCvbxZJWIOkCfXPmGnUJouk0kuDk1au0kmR+zhhCP 653uqjCYPOz/wr6VW4zeiMBV7a15PeGwI3n39tuFKuJ/7ULEx8a+Zreaz1YOHFgg/D/yL0CohMZUW leJXf2Zj4yFp/7JARFI4Y1lxx22IJJudELmEKN//rHEDHpGA11c22i1sttTv0EPxGK4vlmGp7AJaj Yy349ASYNCxQ7fdQwEhnlA==; In-Reply-To: <87v80a402y.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Fri, 09 Aug 2024 09:39:01 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322565 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2024 09:39:01 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> ;; ... > >> (interactive (if (numberp current-prefix-arg) > >> (list current-prefix-arg) > >> current-prefix-arg)) > >> (unless end > >> (setq end 73)) > >> (unless step > >> (setq step (min 10 (max 2 (/ end 10))))) > >> (unless i > >> (setq i 0)) > >> (unless (and (numberp i) (<= 0 i) > >> (numberp end) (< 0 end) > >> (numberp step) (< 0 step)) > >> (error "Bogus indata")) > >> > >> This is 402 chars! > > > > Why do you need that? > > I want it to work with M-x, C-u M-x, and C-u 100 M-x. This is rather unusual, and you should expect to have some more-than-normally complicate code in that case. Also, someone pointed out that you could write this in just 83 characters. > Then I want the same defaults for interactive and > non-interactive use. That usually makes little sense in Emacs. Interactive and non-interactive uses have different semantics. > Not so radical things to wish for, are they? Actually, it is quite unusual. > > Just look at the Emacs sources: you will rarely if ever find > > such long sequences of setting missing arguments to their > > defaults. That's no accident. > > Oh, there are long sequences setting up the interface in the > Emacs source alright. Sometimes they are so long they have > become separate functions of their own. That happens, but very rarely. Well-designed clean code should avoid that.