From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 13:54:12 +0200 Message-ID: <86iksemahn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86o726mlup.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21941"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 23 12:55:07 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tEojC-0005Yy-M1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 12:55:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEoiV-0005Dn-Tm; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 06:54:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEoiU-0005Df-FJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 06:54:22 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tEoiT-00024u-PK; Sat, 23 Nov 2024 06:54:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=RP9lu3cb8TujHrlHtZSAQIcEe5GEADMXqmeaTUqjA5Q=; b=PGu8AfDjVllo Evq8XOj+V5JucFyrlOH6BuRUGhopGwGweaFXOeYw5FXW38cBRGd4nLGxusQNkQvJCADD++c3Ldu2E 8Rj6XvyuQF5YipXOoX8T8Ml15q3CnBpUhwTvl3/Jp9av4Rnhun4FXxiQwBkiqsOrILDKuxHiwRGvF /t66Tzadx2j5dk2QGYekMKhjRrcnU1r5erwQBFmZ9iKc2lq8rp8BfIhdvMBZIUypzdLWMlB38xpyW WeuL9upPpAdEor4/MKjoRB4PLiiSvS9Cl8WkOY6wWT7tZjY7APlG/yZRUyNf1ZgBniazFrB+SyYi6 AKmkgcltEWIUA9UhKCLgTA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Christopher Dimech on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 12:06:10 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325616 Archived-At: > From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: rms@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2024 12:06:10 +0100 > > > However, as I've written elsewhere in this thread, Emacs maintainers > > are just stewards. They don't "own" the project, and cannot dictate > > their preferences when some change is widely favored by the community, > > not without good reasons, which are considered "good enough" by the > > community. So when we feel that a change will be widely supported, > > regardless of discussions, we see no reason to delay its installation. > > (Of course, code review and various minor issues like proper > > documentation etc. are still in effect, and many times require > > re-submission of patches before they are installed.) > > I challenge the notion that Emacs maintainers act solely as stewards. > The term implies neutrality, but maintainers inherently influence the > project's trajectory. The term does not imply neutrality, it implies taking care of the project and keeping it in good shape, and that by its very definition does influence the development. Anyway, focusing on this aspect is taking out the main part of what I wrote above. > Maintainers have a fiduciary duty to both the project's longevity and > its contributors' collective vision. Thus the robustness of the project > and the ease of improvements are important. And you are saying that this doesn't happen here?