From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Danilo Segan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: porting GNU Emacs to kde (?) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:12:03 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <86hdwlnz64.fsf@avet.kvota.net> References: <20040315.154036.226796572.jet@gyve.org> <20040318.201504.250131221.jet@gyve.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1079676907 20167 80.91.224.253 (19 Mar 2004 06:15:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 06:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jgeorgal@uoc.gr, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 19 07:14:57 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B4DHV-0003LL-00 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:14:57 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1B4DHV-0005kv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:14:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4DFp-0003YB-0Y for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:13:13 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B4DFS-0003Xm-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:12:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1B4DEv-0003Kv-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:12:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.65.194.1] (helo=avet.kvota.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B4DEr-0003JA-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:12:15 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 21786 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2004 06:12:03 -0000 Original-To: Masatake YAMATO In-Reply-To: <20040318.201504.250131221.jet@gyve.org> (Masatake YAMATO's message of "Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:15:04 +0900 (JST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:20598 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:20598 Hi, Masatake YAMATO writes: >> Could someone investigate this? It would be quite desirable to >> integrate Emacs with GNOME in this way. If the same work could make >> this possible for GNOME and KDE, it would be pretty high priority--if >> it is feasible and acceptable at all. > > With D-BUS, Emacs can support both GNOME and KDE in minimal effort. > > Currently ORBit/Bonobo(?) is used in Gnome; and KPart(?) is used in KDE > as high level IPC mechanisms. In other hand D-BUS is desktop neutral > high level IPC mechanism. Actually, D-BUS is *simple* IPC mechanism. It was not designed to replace CORBA in the Gnome platform. Also, CORBA is not used only for IPC in Gnome, so D-BUS is a non-contender there. D-BUS was designed to provide simple IPC mechanism where CORBA is overkill (i.e. harder than necessary). D-BUS doesn't provide anything on par with component mechanism provided by Bonobo (or, I guess, DCOP/KParts). Both Bonobo and KParts are implemented over their respective IPCs, so it doesn't make too much sense to reimplement it all. > Supporting ORBit/Bonobo in Emacs stands for integrating Emacs with > GNOME. Supporting KPart in Emacs stands for integrating Emacs with > KDE. For each desktop, one high level IPC mechanism must be supported > in Emacs(and at least one voluntee is needed). In other hand, supporting > D-BUS in Emacs stands for integrating Emacs with both GNOME and KDE at > once. Yeah, if D-BUS was ever able to handle that (without significant work of reimplementing everything, which would be silly). I don't see myself how could it be related. It was never designed to be able to replace things like Bonobo and KParts. Cheers, Danilo