From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Folding emacsclient into emacs Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:45:18 +0200 Message-ID: <86hclzuhyp.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87d4wodiof.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87ir6gtx7w.fsf_-_@olgas.newt.com> <85bqc7hfau.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189669542 10540 80.91.229.12 (13 Sep 2007 07:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 13 09:45:39 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IVjOB-00070r-F8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:45:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVjOA-0001AT-Rd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:45:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVjO7-0001AN-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:45:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVjO5-0001AB-3k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:45:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVjO4-0001A8-VB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:45:20 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IVjO4-0006Ts-4w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:45:20 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29994 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:45:18 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 18902 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2007 07:45:18 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Sep 2007 07:45:18 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C34E98F8ED; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:45:18 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu\, 13 Sep 2007 10\:30\:48 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78741 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup >> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:08:57 +0200 >> Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> there is nothing to be gained from starting it when one does not >> actually need to edit anything. > > Are you saying that Emacs is only for editing? Coming from one of the > Emacs developers, that sounds almost like heresy ;-) > > What about reading mail, showing me the time, the calendar, and how > many hours are left for me to work on my current project? What about > launching programs from a Dired buffer and comparing files with Ediff? > What about doing cleanups late at night when I'm asleep? What about > the plethora of other things Emacs does that aren't editing? Are you saying that users should be punished if the first thing they want to do with Emacs is "merely" edit a file? Should we punish them also when they do emacs -f gnus or emacs -f rmail or similar? -- David Kastrup