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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297647 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Because all of the interaction between server and client in lsp is json > > > there's a huge overhead with parsing and shipping things into the emacs > > > user interface. So IMO what tree-sitter is good at should be left to > > > tree-sitter. Premature optimization. In practice, eglot is fast enough. That's why LSP servers are so popular. I suppose we could invoke a climate change argument; tree-sitter might use measurably less electricity for the same task on the same CPU. That would be interesting to find out. I suspect running a display totally swamps that. > Supposing this conclusion is valid (which seems plausible to me), > what does that imply about enabliing Eglot and Tree-sitter? Nothing. > Should we have a command to enable both together (using Tree-sitter for > the jobs it can do, and Eglot for the others) That should certainly be possible; that's what ada-mode 8.0 does for eglot and the wisi parser (yet another alternative to tree-sitter). Whether it's one command, or several custom options, is up for discussion. ada-mode has three custom options, for face, indent, and xref. > Should we have three levels of enablement? (Neither one, Tree-sitter > only, or both)? It should be on a feature-by-feature basis; as you mention, for a given language, tree-sitter and eglot may support different features. -- -- Stephe