From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Subversion of user chosen major mode by Emacs. Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 08:01:36 +0300 Message-ID: <86ed9jsxjj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86r0dmtbk2.fsf@gnu.org> <63afa31a-7874-4d1f-a17a-14a64ba516cb@gutov.dev> <4197c4a8-ee12-4fa7-9201-4d26f3be59c6@gutov.dev> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39385"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acorallo@gnu.org, dmitry@gutov.dev, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 30 07:02:48 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sCXw7-000A22-Lm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 May 2024 07:02:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCXv4-0001sk-FL; Thu, 30 May 2024 01:01:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCXv2-0001rO-8L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2024 01:01:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sCXv0-00066I-O9; Thu, 30 May 2024 01:01:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=kYlDwYtPRPdG6vA44YVHEgwGwvDwjhb8F7aO3ldM+0s=; b=ZNuULCWSbSEV 5WJTm/YrBd9lA8OYPHPCjd66xmTX1ovvTGZetPbBHcyrkh/wu+wglrJsGwFdHduHmcsn2pmnoh2LG 1Dj4utFZIh/F0Ay34vdle8rfhZvm+pN1UsChAy6lFoWiCvdd1pSXMHsl/QtQ/tkT9hoXllPCa5tuF 97QxEAaoL3r61Z/YrcpK5oLKMlihPfVGeei6M5quwV8IoLt4uyy4Ib6uUhhZmKnga/86CyHpWikEw R/WB/WHWTH1W9BZQgo8fzAfN9PR6DpvCzWYF8Iea4a9iLQdmKPljqvEkOWod8zbFfa4/GrxgMWQks Ymx/P6nj/fI6Z8Fa5ME+KQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Wed, 29 May 2024 19:59:23 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:319718 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 19:59:23 +0000 > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , > Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > My intention was to make other maintainers, including he who wrote it, > aware of what was at stake. We are aware. > There's a very old principle in Emacs not to interfere in user set > options. auto-mode-alist is NOT a user option, never was. Emacs has been tweaking its value for users' benefits for eons, and CC Mode does that as well. major-mode-remap-alist _is_ a user option, which is one reason why solutions proposed back when Emacs 29 was in the works that involved changing the value of major-mode-remap-alist were unacceptable to me. The changes installed by Stefan don't touch major-mode-remap-alist, probably for the same reason; instead, they introduce a new internal variable and tweak that. > That's what I see being violated here. No, it is not.