From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2024 15:28:09 +0300 Message-ID: <86ed73qhly.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sevj9b50.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <871q33rj7v.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39042"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 05 14:29:17 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sawpx-000A34-3J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 14:29:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sawoy-0007Od-Hu; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 08:28:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sawow-0007OR-Ky for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 08:28:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sawov-00030K-D8; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 08:28:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=IVHQA2Et0xRlEK3RNQ6ZD5QcngilGSjtA31lJMxf9vU=; b=I3nsp38MHIgh 1rkD8GZV0+19LL0Pmhfqqp9w4PhewZoSWC+xZEAigAEb2Gg/lSFYj/MrZ222/H107FCFnwZA1HSiJ Tzyt8mjem7BDPXz5Dqfw/ZhvXsnGKPfjEMMoh65pC1FV+JhXkevNMRNYO7FfiL+A/3+x14FbHY5T6 jOcXjWQMh1Oq+ADewo5yqTfdfA8kgElZUh0Zaw7I+saJ+BWNckj4d0msoPoiMPGXwgVX8kMqvwfss ByCkk23JJWk7ZJ61Mx9I9i48K18+ICVjZ7nivpA73tbcPe0Y35zeB/BTObm8Qzax8ODQSaRWCXnSU Ogo5ks39/eKT4v9diM6a9A==; In-Reply-To: (message from Christopher Dimech on Mon, 5 Aug 2024 11:23:13 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322365 Archived-At: > From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2024 11:23:13 +0200 > > > > Calling Emacs Lisp "python-like" is derogatory to Emacs > > > Lisp. Python has some of the characteristics that make Lisp > > > superior, but not all of them. > > Many people are being forced to use Python especially in many university > graduate schools. Lisp has always been a choice. > > I have no problem with Python. But many graduate schools whose main aim is > getting as many graduates as they can and publishing as many papers as they > can, have been using Python in ways intended to maximize task completion time, > to the detriment of everything else. In other words, education for these > graduants has educated them out of education. The best education one can get > today is by self discovery. Schools are not the way. Please, everybody, take the Lisp vs Python argument off this list, it is off-topic here. If you must discuss this, please use the emacs-tangents@gnu.org mailing list instead.