From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel [was: My resignation from Emacs development] Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 18:56:31 +0200 Message-ID: <86cyic7j9c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> <86zflh9myy.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30646"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, adam@alphapapa.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 30 17:57:23 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tHQmZ-0007o3-Da for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 17:57:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHQlx-0002kf-8i; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 11:56:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHQlv-0002jq-LW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 11:56:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHQlu-0007RN-Lf; Sat, 30 Nov 2024 11:56:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9t9IGkTlC8RJAua4/9JmKGnwA57YVXOGo3+hmAf7FxA=; b=DDrkcCCt8eD2 j88dGvdOJRThl8appYWlmnvn1ppVWoyQo5UcQAaEDUIAObUFqPQN3MdSVpG1BV8cGX3tyxIqESF2E hB7Hnl4qwaRYQZN8hetSBX9qPiA2RQyVYNy1VKEsRPC9M7sjj59ikRN6M7Q+Y+pN+B7GIJPlhqUoz H/4cVjCENsid/+kuJSGU1lLil+9aZio5pzjYuDX6rRzQy5LrqnOcc56/7MIy3AnmGPlGKTZ8AlUVG xtGD9pCC/EMUi0Kw9jFGILsiTyX7ECoQsbhTi14UeGcxMnt6IF+X+sZu9MvqCLTEoBmONRTR6nmq+ sclCoAp1L8fAIpQPlJsKCA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:22:23 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325883 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: "adam@alphapapa.net" , > "emacs-devel@gnu.org" > > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:22:23 +0000 > > > > I think the crucial question was _where_ this discussion took place. > > > It was in the bug reporting list, not emacs-devel. > > > > > > I have complained before that the practice of discussing a feature > > > change on the bug list caused feature change ideas not to be > > > recognized as such. People should help notify all of us > > > that we are discussing a feature change. > > > > When such discussions happen on the bug list, we generally try to add > > to the discussion people who might be relevant or whose opinions we > > want to hear. In other cases, someone insists to move the discussion > > to emacs-devel. > > > > Of course, mistakes can and do happen. But the understanding that > > some issues need broader discussions does exist, and there's no > > intentional avoidance of that for some covert reasons. > > > > Please also keep in mind that a person interested in some subject > > could be off-line for some reason, not reading any of the Emacs lists, > > when the discussion happens. So even making sure all such discussions > > happen on emacs-devel is not a guarantee that everyone who should be > > involved will be. (I do agree that emacs-devel is a better place for > > discussing important changes, I'm just saying it is not a panacea.) > > Good to hear. IMO it does happen too often that > something that could benefit from discussion on - > or at least exposure to - emacs-devel stays on > the bug list. How often is "too often"? Do you have some quantitative data about the percentage of such discussions that happen on the bug tracker?