From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Texinfo reputation Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 14:38:07 +0200 Message-ID: <86cyi92b80.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86zflglu3h.fsf@aarsen.me> <86iks47qun.fsf@gnu.org> <865xo4h9w7.fsf@aarsen.me> <867c8k7aig.fsf@gnu.org> <861pys6i8z.fsf@gnu.org> <86frn645fn.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27391"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Max Nikulin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 03 13:38:48 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tISAx-0006zY-US for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 13:38:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tISAO-0007SP-Ff; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 07:38:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tISAM-0007SH-RY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 07:38:10 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tISAM-0000wG-Hq; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 07:38:10 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=U9dqbSbpK+gDbKbV/WCIYlOekL6jQaxak27hjUwRN68=; b=Zmz75PH+VoB6 UdEKkrbueZNk0TfNgZsutd3+QNK6LinGuM0S/t/K0vK8+0KalmIW+NiGUk7/cP/WQ5Gr3eAte02r7 9uVqadL2NwOYT+6zafL5HTsxGIn8tQ0WwKOjlIqR6TNE1/h3G3WudppnRYVhQ4M+yUY9h8HFgJWlV MBCXZPE7oJna55oPQJv+0WKnIeoM4w0+HP0QRqIgXIXE2rSkb5LmF9WLM3odgESeUs1yGcqj9XBuE tKWBLPkmMX+R2tm0GHcD8+iOvrcGmPay15ktG7T9DLkaPbGjid2hDC3HioFOSh1iE4dtqXEu3I7iU ttPbOSZ3Gyj2LEQrw+Hnog==; In-Reply-To: (message from Max Nikulin on Tue, 3 Dec 2024 09:51:49 +0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325981 Archived-At: > From: Max Nikulin > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 09:51:49 +0700 > > On 02/12/2024 19:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Max Nikulin Mon, 2 Dec 2024 10:00:56 +0700 > >> > >> Those who read .info documents may recommend e.g. pinfo. From my point > >> of view, tkinfo is usually better than "info". > > > > Are they being developed? ISTR that someone said they were no longer > > updated. > > I have not tried to report bugs for tkinfo (it hangs sometimes on search > attempts, but I am unaware of really serious issues). It has some > advantages and disadvantages in comparison to other means of reading > texinfo documents. It is not perfect, but in some sense it is feature > complete. I am grateful to its developers and maintainers. It is > available in Debian: > > > I was not inspired by pinfo description, so I have not tried it. It has > some issue with maintenance and it has been kicked out of Debian > testing. It is still available in current stable (bookworm): > > > In my opinion, it means that texinfo docs in general and .info format in > particular are becoming less useful outside of Emacs. That was the conclusion in that discussion some years ago where it was decided to move info.info to Emacs. > Formatting of PDF > is too rigid. HTML files are either excessively huge or uncomfortably > granular with enough nodes containing just a handful lines of text. > Moreover, there is a fraction of users who prefers locally installed > documents. IME, many users report issues with documentation using HTML and PDF references. HTML can also be installed locally.