unofficial mirror of emacs-devel@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ofv@wanadoo.es
Subject: Re: Gap buffer problem?
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 21:04:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86cyhy2g97.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v7vqjexy.fsf@protonmail.com> (message from Pip Cet on Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:41:29 +0000)

> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:41:29 +0000
> From: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
> Cc: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ofv@wanadoo.es
> 
> "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > If it can be done by two processes, it can also be done by two threads
> > in the same process.  Right?
> 
> AFAIU: No, not right.
> 
> I may have misunderstood, but if the idea is to preserve a consistent
> state of all Lisp data and buffer text for redisplay to use, the easiest
> way to ensure that consistency is fork().  The other ways, such as
> copying all heap objects that might be used by redisplay (and adjusting
> all internal pointers in such heap objects to point to the copy rather
> than the original data), probably will end up either being a lot slower
> or being very specific to the system we're running on.

How do you do the same in a forked process?  The glyph matrices are
not allocated once, they are reallocated constantly.  Are you going to
fork each time?  And if you are, how is it different from copying
stuff lazily within the same process, exactly like the OS does with
forked processes?

> I know that implementing fork() on Windows is very slow, and I don't
> know about a comparable snapshotting mechanism for Windows.

I'm not talking about Windows, I'm talking about Posix systems.

Anyway, the fact that redisplay calls Lisp and Lisp calls back into
redisplay all but kills this idea.  Gerd's document has also other
gotchas.  We didn't just give up easily back when we discussed that.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-11 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.39.1723910423.12184.emacs-devel@gnu.org>
2024-08-17 22:49 ` Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 246, Issue 17 ali_gnu2
2024-08-18  0:10   ` Po Lu
2024-08-18  0:19     ` Po Lu
2024-08-18  1:15     ` Solaris dldump (was: Pure space) ali_gnu2
2024-08-18  1:25       ` Solaris dldump Po Lu
2024-08-18 22:27         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-08-18 23:56           ` Po Lu
2024-08-19 11:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-19 12:09               ` Po Lu
2024-08-19 12:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-19 11:44             ` Pip Cet
2024-08-19 11:57               ` Po Lu
2024-08-19 12:10                 ` Pip Cet
2024-08-19 12:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-19 13:46                     ` Pip Cet
2024-08-19 14:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-19 15:26                         ` Corwin Brust
2024-08-19 15:31                           ` Corwin Brust
2024-08-19 20:51                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-08-19 20:35             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-08 12:17     ` pdumper on Solaris 10 Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 13:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 13:52         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 14:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:17             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 16:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 17:37                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 18:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 19:15                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-08 20:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  3:09                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-09  3:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  3:43                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-09  4:53                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-09  5:26                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-09 13:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10  0:02                                   ` Po Lu
2024-12-09  9:56                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10  0:04                             ` Po Lu
2024-12-10  3:34                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  1:13                                 ` Po Lu
2024-12-11 11:29                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-09  4:59                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-09 14:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 21:06                         ` Merging MPS a.k.a. scratch/igc, yet again Stefan Kangas
2024-12-09 21:49                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10  4:17                             ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-10  4:26                               ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-10  4:42                               ` chad
2024-12-10 13:10                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 15:10                                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 15:37                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 15:47                                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 17:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 13:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 14:46                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 13:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 13:20                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 14:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 23:13                           ` chad
2024-12-10 12:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10  0:09                         ` pdumper on Solaris 10 Stefan Kangas
2024-12-10 12:59                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 13:39                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 14:39                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 15:21                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 16:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 15:38                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 16:04                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 17:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  5:27                                 ` Gap buffer problem? Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11  8:50                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11  9:35                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 11:50                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 13:22                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 14:53                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 15:33                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 16:58                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 17:13                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 17:45                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2024-12-11 18:11                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 19:08                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 17:41                                                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 19:04                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-12-11 19:54                                                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 20:26                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 19:09                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 12:27                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 13:27                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 15:06                                           ` Marcus Harnisch
2024-12-11 14:22                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 15:51                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 17:06                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 17:15                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-10 18:13                               ` pdumper on Solaris 10 Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-10 15:23                             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 17:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 18:03                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-10 19:34                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 19:59                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-10 20:17                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 20:34                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 14:13                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 17:43                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 16:21                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 18:47                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-09  1:13                 ` Po Lu
2024-12-09  1:08           ` Po Lu
2024-12-09  0:58       ` Po Lu
2024-12-09  3:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  1:01       ` Po Lu
2024-12-09 13:11         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=86cyhy2g97.fsf@gnu.org \
    --to=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com \
    --cc=ofv@wanadoo.es \
    --cc=pipcet@protonmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).