From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, pipcet@protonmail.com,
eller.helmut@gmail.com, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, ofv@wanadoo.es,
acorallo@gnu.org
Subject: Re: SIGPROF + SIGCHLD and igc
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 20:25:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86cyh9ni3v.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5A733BD6-6077-4705-B9BB-B465859D3F2C@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 12:53:49 -0500)
> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 12:53:49 -0500
> From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
> CC: eller.helmut@gmail.com, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, ofv@wanadoo.es,
> acorallo@gnu.org
>
> >I think you are over-complicating things because you are looking for a
> >110% waterproof solution that would work for arbitrary code in the
> >handler. But we don't need such perfection, as the existing practices
> >show.
> >
>
> The code there TODAY might not need to be "waterproof", but someone might add logic one day that violates the unstated simplifying assumptions on which you're relying. In this case, we'll end up with subtle and hard to diagnose race conditions. Better to make the mechanism robust from the start. Trying to take shortcuts with POSIX signals is penny wise and pound foolish.
I agree with the ideal, but if it makes things too complicated, then I
prefer simpler solutions together with vigilance to prevent dangerous
code from entering our codebase. Experience shows that we are quite
capable of doing that, since we've been doing that for many years.
Excessive complications in the design and implementation also come
with risks, as we all know. I'd rather we avoided too many extra
threads, cross-locking, re-signaling, and other such stuff if we can.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-12-30 18:25 UTC|newest]
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2024-12-22 15:40 Some experience with the igc branch Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-22 17:18 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 17:29 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 17:41 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 17:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 19:11 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-23 0:05 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 1:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-24 22:34 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 4:25 ` Freezing frame with igc Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 11:19 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 11:55 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-23 3:42 ` Some experience with the igc branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 6:27 ` Jean Louis
2024-12-22 20:29 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-22 20:50 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 22:26 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 3:23 ` Gerd Möllmann
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2024-12-23 14:45 ` Make Signal handling patch platform-dependent? Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 14:54 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 13:35 ` Some experience with the igc branch Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 14:03 ` Discussion with MPS people Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 14:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 15:07 ` Some experience with the igc branch Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 15:26 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 16:03 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 17:16 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 18:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 18:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 20:30 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-23 23:39 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 13:18 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 13:42 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-24 3:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 8:48 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-24 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 13:54 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-23 17:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 20:49 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 21:43 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-23 21:49 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 21:58 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-23 23:20 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 5:38 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-24 6:27 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 10:09 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 4:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 8:50 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 6:03 ` SIGPROF + SIGCHLD and igc Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 8:23 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-24 8:39 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 9:22 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 9:43 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 10:46 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 8:08 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 8:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 14:53 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 15:09 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 18:50 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-29 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 19:34 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-29 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 20:50 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 8:55 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 15:40 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 15:53 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 11:36 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 16:14 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 10:02 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 10:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 13:52 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 14:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 16:46 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 18:08 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 19:28 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 19:32 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 19:51 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 20:43 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 5:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 12:15 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 20:44 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 16:46 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 17:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 17:53 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-30 18:25 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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2024-12-25 14:43 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 20:44 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-26 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 8:02 ` Helmut Eller
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2024-12-26 23:29 ` Paul Eggert
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2024-12-27 19:34 ` Paul Eggert
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2024-12-26 15:27 ` Stefan Kangas
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