From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Ahmed Khanzada Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::642 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247252 Archived-At: On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:02:35 -0700, Stefan Kangas wrote: > > Ahmed Khanzada writes: > > > 1. Terminal-based Vim is not like a modern application, yet is more > > popular than Emacs. > > How do you know that Vim is more popular than Emacs? > https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#development-environments-and-tools Nearly 20% of programmers use vim, and around 3% use Emacs. Visual Studio Code has 54%. > > 3. If Emacs was to become a "modern" app tomorrow, an editor extended > > in Lisp still only has appeal for a minority of programmers > > I think features matters more than extension language to most users. > For example, the popularity of Vim is unlikely to be based on the > appeal of an editor extended in Vimscript. That is fair enough. But for extensible editors, features are built by a small group of folks interested in that sort of thing. A more "mainstream" language usually means more extensions which means more features. > > > 4. Most of the push for a "modern look" comes from the desire for Emacs > > to play more nicely with proprietary platforms. > > Why do you believe that to be the case? I suppose this is a pure assumption on my part based on my anecdotal experience. I hear more comments about Emacs not being a nice MacOS or Windows application than a nice GNOME application, but that is just anecdotal evidence, and is certainly skewed by the popularity of those platforms.