From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving packages out of core to ELPA Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 18:51:37 +0200 Message-ID: <86bk8ft4o6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86jzn3t7gj.fsf@gnu.org> <095EDE5B-128C-4110-805B-EE218DB9F79A@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36430"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: JD Smith Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 17 17:52:34 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rbNvV-0009EK-FS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:52:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbNuh-0006Kd-Bm; Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:51:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbNug-0006KN-6C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:51:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rbNuf-0003Zx-RF; Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:51:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Aw4gGhZFEjJ5iXxEMdb16PoUM3kHF/i2gE5i8gWEi6k=; b=i6ezo4eKsJFQP6JUbP9c /J9uV2G6F0aZz9S9gDSA+NUUeyx1xs0x07O9RPM2crZupJVu9nq7PhabiXZ+xXgeaDEZGSZrO0Rd5 WANxQQqceUdQlyqWBVNCCBgKv9xCW5bb6Syhnt5fsFdCBbyI7XV1027efCvzJLawMzgFvMVqimmqo 2cTKXdUQz6dSm8gvmZhH/e7Fadr9suFneabFjdvg0yJkQFAUoz5CHMVqpJr1cWYY5aolud6PJePef +RPLw//dxqnC/oyzs5x87Qnham5wKyvH4/MhXoXSDX9//xnmRPK5a5JXKhXJ3Z7L9YJSu27gKrI8h 4t2qeAmhaBdXVw==; In-Reply-To: <095EDE5B-128C-4110-805B-EE218DB9F79A@gmail.com> (message from JD Smith on Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:22:35 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316268 Archived-At: > From: JD Smith > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:22:35 -0500 > Cc: emacs-devel > > > > > On Feb 17, 2024, at 10:51 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > >> From: JD Smith > >> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 09:40:19 -0500 > >> > >> There was a recent discussion about which lisp/progmodes packages belong in core. A sentiment was > >> expressed that useful languages with non-negligible user bases should probably go in, and others should be > >> in ELPA. > >> > >> I want to bring up a related point: it should be possible to retire packages from core, once their relevance > >> drops below a critical threshold [1]. > > > > We usually first retire such packages to lisp/obsolete/. There, they > > are still available, but need to be loaded manually. Moving something > > directly to ELPA might be too drastic, assuming someone somewhere > > still want to use it. > > Does that reduce the maintenance burden, for example because code in lisp/obsolete does not receive updates to documentation, stylistic code changes, etc.? Do you typically also remove the associated entry in auto-mode-alist when obsoleting in this fashion? Yes, I think so (on both counts).