From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Physical keyboard events Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:33:37 +0200 Message-ID: <86bjyvunri.fsf@gnu.org> References: <31bdc55d-8c13-4de0-9cef-bd6cc4fb033f@imayhem.com> <861pzrw5du.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzdjjgbf.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11205"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 04 14:34:40 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1t7xE7-0002nD-1h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2024 14:34:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t7xDF-0005SY-Nt; Mon, 04 Nov 2024 08:33:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t7xDB-0005S1-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2024 08:33:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t7xDB-0001ZZ-LK; Mon, 04 Nov 2024 08:33:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=iOKHzHWC9J85nhhtMfvoJsqFjTCzZagrxsX9YxQ54Ac=; b=gRgq2aC9THW2 ypLaV2kjB7sEkcUhrM1gZuik2kWVBiUbZDUKCFHcVqgp7nbOj13vioSPYmiji9cW1roJa1Q69vKoB u8A4mOqLGfrELsrR9dgaV6E5ZjWVaIuANAyXBsKB44cTRcA+Eddex1DYKn3Obqpm/6VjlSuXe6Tkd /uVZUa23XDM7rRMDlWMWF9UG4j04oVqoDf3oWsLEVdFn2wkjl4N/c+icBlcJpmxFojwc/Ul9qP19o T361vHDYZQ2Ox8ErXn5DPHF/naf2yJNylos9H26gOkcDo7gUGlYh5oKTf+AoSeeIyWCRQjYVIG1B0 TRXq4Y5H8IFQKM+3XNH6bw==; In-Reply-To: <87jzdjjgbf.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 04 Nov 2024 21:09:56 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325103 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2024 21:09:56 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > This is not a basic feature, from where I stand. It's an enhancement. > > My evidence is that Emacs has lived for 4 decades without it. > > > > So please explain why would you reject an implementation of this which > > requires XKB. > > It is a basic feature in that it can easily be implemented for systems > without XKB. That's a completely different motivation. I agree that if a feature can be easily implemented without extensions, and thus work in more configurations, we should try implementing it without extensions.