From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Discuss new features/enhancements or large changes for users in emacs-devel Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 15:04:32 +0200 Message-ID: <86bjxu44nz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <169c6564-4722-4338-a049-5f8f3ce69394@alphapapa.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17015"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, adam@alphapapa.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 02 14:05:34 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tI67K-0004I6-6d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 14:05:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tI66i-00080u-O8; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 08:04:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tI66d-0007xr-Gy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 08:04:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tI66b-00086A-A4; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 08:04:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=bW3FpHi2l+NQq98cZ6DmQFt0GGsSb6PyWPAOhaOgvAg=; b=rEBdPm4xWM5k 4FuJET26krskrp/0ocPJtJRQ3KDlLMpFMmThrPeaaqle96xqLW2Rp/QhgSaYi9PiV7ZNb09csOzyn uwWV5C9b4HoPNmnpfkh+kJ1vyQiWBGy+YUdIISLaN20P/2c2ooT06i0crMMZU1/COsxYbgYzhHdsB O0g71KzcyGYJ0y8l1W0uaNDyRF7Z/RzxHTWDJzZsNmdsJp14BTsd3SRiQBeXMnM2pEkGCb+kLtOaK UilQFFFyE8+k0CrsLmpNS0jXhqW0nzJZsnvVx6sbWQaXSOSEQhsxhvdmg5V7/+dwjBWWfj2U5HMSy ke9V0G4OljIabc/GK0uqww==; In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 01 Dec 2024 23:09:19 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325945 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: adam@alphapapa.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 23:09:19 -0500 > > > It doesn't _really_ matter (IMHO) who's > > doing it - even if a discusser is a decider > > (maintainer). What matters is to get the > > discussion viewed (and maybe participated > > in) by a _wider audience_. > > I agree completely. > > When the topic of a thread wanders from A to B, there's no reason to > blame anyone. It is natural that sometimes discussions wander, and > sometimes this wandering can convert a discussion of fixing a bug into > a decision about features. > > When that happens, we should recognize that the topic has changed, > and handle the new topic in the way that it calls for. I don't think anyone will disagree, at least not in general. That said, I would like to point out a few aspects that AFAIU are at the real core of the issues which prompted this: . a discussion could wander into a tangent, in which case TRT is to ask people to make the tangent a separate discussion, instead of moving it to emacs-devel . we encourage people to submit "feature-request" bug reports (and Emacs recently acquired the "M-x submit-emacs-patch" command for that reason), in which case the bug list _is_ the proper place to discuss that. When the feature is significant and/or affects Emacs or our users in prominent ways, prudence would mandate that we move such general discussions to emacs-devel, but that's a judgment call, not an automatic knee-jerk reaction