From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Fwd: mailclient-send-it usage of browse-url Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:49:37 -0700 Message-ID: <86DDDA9D-2655-4B6C-A54E-AA87521C74E9@gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271351026 16444 80.91.229.12 (15 Apr 2010 17:03:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) To: "christian.lynbech@tieto.com>" , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 15 19:03:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2STY-0004CD-Rb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:03:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41609 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2STY-0006um-Bl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:03:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O2SG9-00009p-Ul for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:49:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48841 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2SG8-00007s-E4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:49:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2SG6-0006Wq-89 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:49:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f225.google.com ([209.85.218.225]:60161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2SG5-0006Wa-QR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:49:42 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz25 with SMTP id 25so1638002bwz.8 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:49:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:references:to:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=+1AMOfaEt11WxYs7f1dpwIvmcHqAnDL84lzTjCN0WA4=; b=WdQd5n50h4TJeQ87zzACsLqfi6D1viM4gTW1fyK81demsYQLfRYqniluHNTEPmlptn sBz348mfbiztakdtDttl+AlkVqtIaBejBKyswdI3c42RJEGW78ghV0W87oR3TVT4u+s2 1I1q4EfUDSg5cGcCTqhbw+ZUwE3YlvbHkmjx4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:references :to:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=UITbHSZ7BOeuAHuCEH+I/ILKj3kD5YO3ILDxXjtq0F6cEIEygmcOaclxSfDERamOF6 rc0JcgVsdr5qxw+hJMQ1cP2lH8FDspH2qjkMieRm6iuTxz969UhM1hWdw22h5zSyJS9I zMdSQwNugw18CO44b/vav+6c+/fDgj1qM4jJY= Original-Received: by 10.204.22.20 with SMTP id l20mr341216bkb.118.1271350180336; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.6] (c-98-247-149-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.149.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x16sm1210807bku.11.2010.04.15.09.49.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:49:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123714 Archived-At: On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:14 AM, = wrote: >>>>>> "Stefan" =3D=3D Stefan Monnier writes: >=20 > Stefan> The problem is that for most users configuring sendmail is = difficult >=20 > This is true but it could be that there are ways of using sendmail = where > one would be less reliant of its configuration. >=20 > This was the situation for me when trying to change to using the > sendmail client. The default value of `mail-specify-envelope-from' is > nil meaning that we rely on sendmail to generate the envelope and this > requires sendmail to be setup correctly which apparently isn't the > default on OSX. However, by setting the variable to true, emacs > generates the envelope and now mails are getting delivered since they > have a legitimate envelope which many mailservers wisely seem to > require. >=20 > The point I am trying ot make here (without being a great sendmail > expert) that it may be possible to excert enough external control over > sendmail to ensure delivery, at least for nodes directly connected to > the internet. If you are in a situation where you need to = authenticate, > other approaches must be used. >=20 > The biggest problem with sendmail (at least on OSX) is that (as David > mentioned) it may fail silently. Sendmail will in a number of cases > happily put the mail into the queue and then fail to deliver it later. As has previously been mentioned, a great number of users have internet=20= connections that cannot use sendmail without arcane configuration, = because their network connection blocks the straightforward connection in an = attempt at spam-bot mitigation. No emacs default variable will fix this. The = user will not notice that their mail was dropped into a black hole, because the = system=20 will not inform them -- it will simply and silently drop the mail. This = is not an abstract concern -- David mentioned that it happened recently that a = tester complained about bug reports going unanswered when in fact his bug = reports were being swallowed by this sort of firewall when the send-mail = function was accidentally set to use sendmail in a beta release. Until someone writes M-x telepathically-fix-smtp-auth-settings, sendmail = cannot easily be configured by end users. Until sendmail can easily be = configured by=20 end users, using `open' is a far, far better choice. *Chad