From: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
To: "christian.lynbech@tieto.com>" <christian.lynbech@tieto.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Fwd: mailclient-send-it usage of browse-url
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:49:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86DDDA9D-2655-4B6C-A54E-AA87521C74E9@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: D6FDF877-2199-48E7-8B06-4E6325EDEAC9@mit.edu
On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:14 AM, <christian.lynbech@tieto.com> <christian.lynbech@tieto.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
> Stefan> The problem is that for most users configuring sendmail is difficult
>
> This is true but it could be that there are ways of using sendmail where
> one would be less reliant of its configuration.
>
> This was the situation for me when trying to change to using the
> sendmail client. The default value of `mail-specify-envelope-from' is
> nil meaning that we rely on sendmail to generate the envelope and this
> requires sendmail to be setup correctly which apparently isn't the
> default on OSX. However, by setting the variable to true, emacs
> generates the envelope and now mails are getting delivered since they
> have a legitimate envelope which many mailservers wisely seem to
> require.
>
> The point I am trying ot make here (without being a great sendmail
> expert) that it may be possible to excert enough external control over
> sendmail to ensure delivery, at least for nodes directly connected to
> the internet. If you are in a situation where you need to authenticate,
> other approaches must be used.
>
> The biggest problem with sendmail (at least on OSX) is that (as David
> mentioned) it may fail silently. Sendmail will in a number of cases
> happily put the mail into the queue and then fail to deliver it later.
As has previously been mentioned, a great number of users have internet
connections that cannot use sendmail without arcane configuration, because
their network connection blocks the straightforward connection in an attempt
at spam-bot mitigation. No emacs default variable will fix this. The user will
not notice that their mail was dropped into a black hole, because the system
will not inform them -- it will simply and silently drop the mail. This is not an
abstract concern -- David mentioned that it happened recently that a tester
complained about bug reports going unanswered when in fact his bug reports
were being swallowed by this sort of firewall when the send-mail function was
accidentally set to use sendmail in a beta release.
Until someone writes M-x telepathically-fix-smtp-auth-settings, sendmail cannot
easily be configured by end users. Until sendmail can easily be configured by
end users, using `open' is a far, far better choice.
*Chad
next parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-15 16:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <D6FDF877-2199-48E7-8B06-4E6325EDEAC9@mit.edu>
2010-04-15 16:49 ` chad [this message]
2010-04-15 17:15 ` mailclient-send-it usage of browse-url Lennart Borgman
2010-04-15 17:22 ` Chad Brown
2010-04-15 19:00 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-16 0:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-16 0:34 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-16 1:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-04-16 11:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-04-16 12:49 ` Stefan Monnier
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