From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Saving the selection before killing Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:21:31 +0200 Message-ID: <868x9f30fo.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <5fmk5pF3bo3fbU1@mid.individual.net> <87hco5xtbv.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1184660557 3001 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2007 08:22:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 17 10:22:35 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IAiKH-0008Of-Jo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:22:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAiKH-0004zj-0I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:22:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IAiJL-0004dY-PI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IAiJK-0004cx-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IAiJJ-0004cf-EF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IAiJI-00035Q-Uz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27002 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:21:30 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 4684 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2007 08:21:31 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Jul 2007 08:21:31 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2E4298FA33; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:21:31 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon\, 16 Jul 2007 23\:34\:18 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.51 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:74962 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > But I think asking people to try it out will not result in many > responses. People who like it will start using it silently, and > people who don't like probably will not try it. The only way to > get more opinions is to install it and wait for a reaction. > > I think people on this list will tell us what they think of it. > Would people please try installing it and report what they think? The main problem I saw with it was working over non-local X connections where it could lead to annoying and inexplicable slowdowns. That is not the normal use case, but it is a situation where being able to still work with Emacs would be important. I remember that there has been a _lot_ of people complaining about inexplicable slowdowns on the XEmacs developer list, and the general advice was to disable some hooks that provided a similarly "sensible" default behavior with respect to possibly unrelated selections. I don't know the details, though, but it probably was the somewhat different case of every Emacs kill command copying stuff to the clipboard or so (or some clipboard application milking a selection whenever one was available). Anyway, the point is that this was also not detected as a problem in testing, and still caused frequent annoyance for people with not too unusual X setups. So I'd be careful of milking selections by default. Maybe one reasonable test case would be two Emacs sessions side by side. Oh, by the way: does Emacs see its own selections? -- David Kastrup