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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Saving the selection before killing
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:21:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <868x9f30fo.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1IAdpK-0001SZ-00@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon\, 16 Jul 2007 23\:34\:18 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     But I think asking people to try it out will not result in many
>     responses.  People who like it will start using it silently, and
>     people who don't like probably will not try it.  The only way to
>     get more opinions is to install it and wait for a reaction.
>
> I think people on this list will tell us what they think of it.
> Would people please try installing it and report what they think?

The main problem I saw with it was working over non-local X
connections where it could lead to annoying and inexplicable
slowdowns.

That is not the normal use case, but it is a situation where being
able to still work with Emacs would be important.  I remember that
there has been a _lot_ of people complaining about inexplicable
slowdowns on the XEmacs developer list, and the general advice was to
disable some hooks that provided a similarly "sensible" default
behavior with respect to possibly unrelated selections.

I don't know the details, though, but it probably was the somewhat
different case of every Emacs kill command copying stuff to the
clipboard or so (or some clipboard application milking a selection
whenever one was available).

Anyway, the point is that this was also not detected as a problem in
testing, and still caused frequent annoyance for people with not too
unusual X setups.  So I'd be careful of milking selections by default.
Maybe one reasonable test case would be two Emacs sessions side by
side.  Oh, by the way: does Emacs see its own selections?

-- 
David Kastrup

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-17  8:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <5fmk5pF3bo3fbU1@mid.individual.net>
     [not found] ` <mailman.3386.1184244752.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-12 20:31   ` Saving the selection before killing (was: Selection not to be copied into kill-ring) Stefan Monnier
2007-07-12 20:45     ` Saving the selection before killing David Kastrup
2007-07-13 18:38     ` Saving the selection before killing (was: Selection not to be copied into kill-ring) Richard Stallman
2007-07-13 19:11       ` Saving the selection before killing Stefan Monnier
2007-07-14 18:00         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-15 22:54           ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-17  3:34             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17  8:21               ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-07-18  4:41                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18  5:44                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18  9:28                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-18 20:53                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 21:05                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18  9:24                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-18  9:21                 ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-18 18:34                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-19  7:35                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-19 17:15                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-20  6:27                         ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-20 15:59                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-20 16:50                             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-21 16:54                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-21 16:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-21  4:51                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-21  9:22                             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-19  4:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-19  7:44                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-19 21:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-20  6:33                         ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-21  4:51                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-21  9:28                             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-22  1:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22  7:55                                 ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-22 18:37                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 20:32                                     ` Jan Djärv

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