From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sacha Chua Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs IDE features Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 20:48:28 -0400 Message-ID: <867fmlhuhv.fsf@sachachua.com> References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <87io6dl0h0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com> <87oag4jk74.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2qrki45.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83oag3oosv.fsf@gnu.org> <6909324d6de8929192a27fc0be8267d4@mail.iq.pl> <561D6773.4080003@cumego.com> <87d1wijwfs.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87eggxemca.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83y4f23puw.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445130326 22971 80.91.229.3 (18 Oct 2015 01:05:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 01:05:26 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 03:05:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZncPT-00059w-79 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:05:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60238 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZncPS-0005Kb-E9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:05:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60520) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZncPO-0005Jo-OF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:05:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZncPJ-0005Rp-Qu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:05:10 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:51371) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZncPJ-0005R4-L0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZncPH-0004z4-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:05:03 +0200 Original-Received: from 69-165-143-214.dsl.teksavvy.com ([69.165.143.214]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:05:03 +0200 Original-Received: from sacha by 69-165-143-214.dsl.teksavvy.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 03:05:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 59 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69-165-143-214.dsl.teksavvy.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:iiKG8xMIE8066nVMrFMJBKYVyRc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191905 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: Hello, johnw, all! > Someone who is willing to keep an eye on things like > reddit.com/r/emacs, emacswiki.org, and other external resources, that > really have nothing to do with emacs-devel at all. This would largely > be a non-technical role: more a "community liaison" type of thing. Are > the informational and educational needs of the community being mit? > If I could pick anyone for this, it would be Sacha Chua. She has already been I'd say jcs over at irreal.org does an even better job of pointing to and summarizing cool stuff that people are sharing on Reddit and Planet Emacsen. I'm totally happy to continue being an informal Emacs community cheerleader, though. It would be pretty cool to get something similar to Linux Weekly News going, looking at new items coming in from: - Emacs-related blog posts (on or off Planet Emacsen) - Youtube, Vimeo, podcasts - Meetups and other communities - New packages - Twitter - Emacs StackExchange - Newsgroups The reddit.com/r/emacs folks do a good job at sharing interesting links along those lines, actually. I can see how far I get in terms of getting it up and running (and being consistent with it, which could be the real challenge!) over on my blog. It definitely makes sense as a web archive and/or a mailing list, and maybe other people will want to pitch in too. As for a summary of what people want: Daniel Gopar has mentioned the need for more total-newbie-introduction tutorials and screencasts. There's also the perpetual desire for Emacs 201-type information, or how to go from the basic tutorial to actually setting things up for Emacs awesomeness. It feels like lots of people are sharing cool stuff in blog posts and videos, which is definitely a step up from a few years ago. Of course, people who are new don't know what to look for or where to go, and it can be difficult to figure out a sequence for learning things or fill in the gaps between pieces. We're missing the trails, the glue. EmacsWiki used to be a little like that sort of a thing, and it still could become that if people updated the resources that are on there. I might add that to my list of little projects. I'm guilty of this myself - I tend to focus more on weird idiosyncratic hacks that make my life easier instead of making a concerted effort to write coherent docs, although maybe I should play with that balance a bit. I also try to nudge people to record screencasts (or conversations, because those can sometimes be less intimidating) or write blog posts, to get more stuff out there. I've been doing this in a rather haphazard way, but I think we can figure out how to do this even better. =) Sacha Chua