From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Control help- and Info-mode buffers from other buffers Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 19:54:54 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <867csjuq01.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87h6ruf09e.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <861qixbum2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86wn0opgpi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ilc78zc2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86mt1j16ht.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86zg5i1ku9.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21333"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Manuel Giraud , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 04 19:02:55 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q5r82-0005PN-Ms for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 19:02:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5r71-00072Z-Iu; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:01:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5r6y-000721-8z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:01:48 -0400 Original-Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5r6v-0007mL-PD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:01:48 -0400 X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Original-Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2084560004; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:01:41 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Sun, 04 Jun 2023 16:41:27 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.195; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay3-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306624 Archived-At: >> Then 'SPC SPC SPC DEL' scrolls it from the *scratch* buffer. > > These are quite involved shortcuts. Think of people memorizing all that, and > typing all that. In case one would repeat commands, isn't it just less key > tapping to jumpt to window, do what is needed, and jump back. If we say > Info-mode-map is on a key (my peronal M-i), for me it becomes M-i j, > sequence of a one- or two-key combinations, and 'j' to jump back, regardless of > what Emacs considers other window. Even with repeat-mode I don't see if saves > much compared to just simply switching to the window? Or do I miss and > misuinderstand? This depends on the people's workflow. Do most people need just to type a single key in another window most of the time? Then a global keymap could save from typing a key to switch to another window. > Could that function/implementation be made so that a highly hypothetical macro > say "define-command", calls it somehow instead of actually generating the code > in the user command? Otherwise it would be a lot of code duplication, which is > why you don't like with-selected-window I guess? I would like the effect as in > the above little piece of code, but not the exact implementation. Indeed, code duplication would be unfortunate. Ideally, all commands should stay unchanged. But since pre/post hook hack is unreliable, this means creating a lot of wrappers like this (defun Info-menu-other-window (menu-item &optional fork) (interactive (with-selected-window (other-window-for-info) (Info-menu-read-args))) (with-selected-window (other-window-for-info) (Info-menu menu-item fork)))