From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An anonymous IRC user's opinion Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 15:03:43 +0300 Message-ID: <867ca9shcw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87plodsjsd.fsf@web.de> <865xq14dwp.fsf@gnu.org> <343c4d04-af53-4da2-9d1c-c616c74821e1@gutov.dev> <86plo8369c.fsf@gnu.org> <63edeeea-1f24-4d3b-abc8-b96b164942e4@gutov.dev> <8634l1zsej.fsf@gnu.org> <9a8b97f8-def3-43ce-b71b-1f09bb05afd4@gutov.dev> <86cyk4vcld.fsf@gnu.org> <86ttdgthg2.fsf@gnu.org> <86ed4kt2ws.fsf@gnu.org> <8e30fb5c-8e1b-4f73-98eb-50c5c396efb0@gutov.dev> <86ldyqsrax.fsf@gnu.org> <10864c02-4bfd-41c3-bb45-6fe1155f9676@gutov.dev> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33968"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: johan.myreen@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 15 14:04:43 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1t0gI6-0008fr-Vh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:04:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t0gHE-0008Oo-G9; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 08:03:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t0gHC-0008LF-26 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 08:03:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t0gHB-0000Km-Lp; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 08:03:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=aPjfHsHfukbC+bWeNHmRnY3M5OM8PU8P1XydfnkiG3s=; b=lje0TvtDv7tk oqc5cPt17atWNw4DjU+68XD5YqQ2PWiilvxcPMBvykYHUQwJ9agfNlpHGR/bgy5zOiOVo6hy6yrEN mDcgrwt6V+o76RKXn6lYWW5AuVL1+wLh9HnaJxSq+t3gVd31ZLZDqHuGnp3OCkmBAxNn9ifZSN9eD eUh86/OcxnAD81mb8JCaG3FBkCnrpMrPoNt2HGiv3HzTyUpTaeS5mbYBG2BvFDbrVOz3mO/vxoRMj 9Cauhd6C/pLp93JC4UZnwMGBKovELsFVj8wb/lCeqYEkZPQ4x7R+j4FN5OMPrSB0TDzqqYGseZHzC zpSmZ6CVF0mN4F4WqR4RuQ==; In-Reply-To: <10864c02-4bfd-41c3-bb45-6fe1155f9676@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 15 Oct 2024 04:36:55 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324593 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 04:36:55 +0300 > Cc: johan.myreen@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 14/10/2024 17:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> The ad-hoc behaviors the creates and offers the users, or the bugs like > >> 'C-h f' altering auto-mode-alist, or 'M-x js-ts-mode' (for example) > >> doing the same because it loads cc-mode. > > We have such issues all over the place in Emacs: "C-h" commands that > > load packages modify the global state. There's nothing new here, nor > > anything outlandish. > > It might not be a huge deal, but packages being loaded at various times, > sometimes unexpected, is why we try to avoid doing too many things > during that time. I agree that we should try to avoid that if possible, but you originally made a stronger argument, or so I interpreted it.