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From: Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful?
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:51:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86578165-1b41-e75c-7180-84d8edefc44b@grinta.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1espty-0006YD-HZ@fencepost.gnu.org>

On 3/5/18 6:11 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> 
> An improvement in GC wouldn't be a bad thing, but it may not be worth
> the effort.  It is likely to lead to many bugs that would be hard to
> fix.  Once working, it would not make much difference to users.
> It would only permit some operations on larger problems than now.
> 
> When I was working at the AI Lab, one of the older programmers told me
> that hackers are often eager to make improvements of this sort: which
> make the program better in an abstract sense, but not better for
> users.  I took that advice to heart.  Now I pass it on.
> 
> Changing Emacs to handle indentation and alignment with
> variable-width fonts would be an important and useful change.
> Certain kinds of use would make sense, which currently don't.
> 
> It would be a big step towards making Emacs do the job of
> a word processor, which is what I would like to see some day.
> Imagine if you could edit nicely formatted documents directly
> with Emacs, instead of using LibreOffice?  LibreOffice is
> fine to use, it is free software, but it isn't Emacs.

Richard,

with all the due respect for your role in starting the Emacs project and
the Free software movement, I don't think that dismissing contributions
to Emacs on the base of their relative usefulness to implementing new
features that you think are important, does any good to Emacs.

Hackers work on Emacs because they like it, and scratch their own itch.
I don't think that anyone is in the position to suggest how they should
be spending their time. Even more so if (as far as I know) there is no
agreed upon roadmap for the project.

I think that what will help to keep Emacs relevant in the long run is
modernizing its structure and code base, moving away from the baroque
architecture that developed as a result of its very long history (and
some less than optimally future proof design decisions).

Personally, I find that better support for display with variable width
fonts will not improve my use of Emacs. What would improve my user
experience would be improvements to the display engine that will allow a
better document viewing capabilities in something like pdf-tools (like
continuous scrolling).

The only effective (and not detrimental to the project) way to steer
hacker attentions to features you find important is to pay them for
their work. With your popularity it should not be impossible to rise
enough money to do so.

Cheers,
Dan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-05 18:51 UTC|newest]

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2018-03-01 23:22         ` Let's make the GC safe and iterative (Was: Re: bug#30626) Daniel Colascione
2018-03-01 23:29           ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05  6:31             ` Ken Raeburn
2018-03-05 13:11               ` What improvements would be truly useful? Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 14:02                 ` John Yates
2018-03-05 17:21                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 16:33                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-05 17:32                 ` Rostislav Svoboda
2018-03-05 18:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:18                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-05 20:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 23:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 23:16                         ` dancol
2018-03-06 20:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 21:15                             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-08  4:45                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-08  9:16                               ` Jefferson Carpenter
2018-03-08  9:17                               ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-08 13:40                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 20:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 20:29                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-09  4:43                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-09 22:20                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 22:42                                     ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-11 17:02                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-06 20:01                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-06 20:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:41                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 17:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 18:30                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 19:36                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 20:49                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 23:00                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 10:56                             ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-09 13:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 16:02                                 ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-10 18:56                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 22:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 15:48                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-05 19:05                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-03-05 20:55                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-05 23:05                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 11:02                     ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-09 22:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-10 20:23                         ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-11 23:26                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 17:57                 ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:32                   ` dancol
2018-03-05 19:49                     ` Variable-width font indentation Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 15:15                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-06 15:34                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 17:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:58                     ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 20:28                       ` Variable-width font indentation Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-05 22:30                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 22:53                           ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06  1:06                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  1:30                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06  1:40                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  2:04                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06  3:36                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:47                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 19:50                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  5:48                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 13:18                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:11                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 20:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 13:15                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 18:26                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 16:07                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 22:13                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 13:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 14:05                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 16:38                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 17:49                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 17:55                                     ` dancol
2018-03-06 20:18                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:20                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 18:53                                   ` Sam Steingold
2018-03-06 22:43                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-07 17:12                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 19:38                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-07 20:11                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 23:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 12:33                                           ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-08 13:50                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 15:15                                               ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-06 20:52                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06  4:05                         ` Herring, Davis
2018-03-06 13:33                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 14:18                             ` Herring, Davis
2018-03-06 15:02                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 19:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 20:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 21:15                               ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 21:47                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 17:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 18:27                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 20:09                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 20:32                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 15:39                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 16:30                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 19:07                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 19:55                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09  8:30                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 17:52                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 18:35                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 20:16                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 21:19                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 21:55                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-10  0:09                                                           ` James Cloos
2018-03-10  8:20                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 19:48                                                               ` James Cloos
2018-03-10 20:00                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 22:18                                                                   ` James Cloos
2018-03-11  3:43                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 19:48                                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 21:18                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 22:54                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-10  8:04                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  4:27                                                     ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-10  8:39                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 11:42                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-10 14:28                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 13:49                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08  4:50                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-08 13:44                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 22:03                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09  8:34                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 16:05                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 16:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  8:12                                               ` Variable-width font alignment Stephen Leake
2018-03-10  8:56                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 17:30                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2018-03-10 19:02                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  7:42                                           ` Variable-width font indentation Stephen Leake
2018-03-06 16:35                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 19:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-05 23:05                   ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 16:04                     ` Variable-width font indentation Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 17:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 18:14                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 20:56                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 20:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-07  7:05                         ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-06 16:14                     ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 18:51                 ` Daniele Nicolodi [this message]
2018-03-05 19:22                   ` What improvements would be truly useful? Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06  6:32                     ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-06 16:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 17:01                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-07  5:45                         ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-07 17:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 17:49                             ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-07 18:06                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 21:45                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2018-03-08 13:20                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 16:24                                     ` Alan Third
2018-03-08 18:02                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06  7:48                     ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-06 17:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 21:15                   ` Juri Linkov
2018-03-05 23:46                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2018-03-06  3:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-02 20:40                       ` Continuous image scrolling (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Juri Linkov
2018-04-03  1:59                         ` Continuous image scrolling Óscar Fuentes
2018-04-03  7:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-03 19:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 20:20                             ` Drew Adams
2018-04-04 19:54                               ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 21:08                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-03 21:57                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-04  6:27                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 19:50                               ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-05  6:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 23:31                               ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-05  2:45                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-05  3:54                                   ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-05 19:56                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-05 22:59                                       ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-06  4:36                                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-06  9:35                                           ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-04 19:19                           ` John Wiegley
2018-03-05 22:09                   ` What improvements would be truly useful? John Wiegley
2018-03-05 23:04                     ` daniel sutton
2018-03-06 20:51                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 11:44                 ` Toon Claes
2018-03-08 20:08                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-12 21:53                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-01 23:38           ` Let's make the GC safe and iterative Stefan Monnier
2018-03-02  0:05             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-02 13:47               ` Stefan Monnier

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